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Hey chrigi1975,
da deine Frage ja schon eine Weile unbeantwortet ist, äußere ich mich mal nach bestem gewissen. Ich bin zwar nicht vom Fach, aber bin selber in Behandlung.
Wenn ich das richtig verstanden habe nennt man dein Problem einen seitlich offenen Biss. Mein Kieferorthopäde sagte mir vor einiger Zeit, dass das Invisalign System in der jüngeren Vergangenheit weiterentwickelt wurde und da mittlerweile auch vieles möglich ist, wo er noch vor einem Jahr gesagt hätte da muss definitiv eine feste Zahnspange her.
Bei mir selbst wird der seitliche leicht offene Biss mit Elastics behandelt. Ich hab aber auch eine feste Zahnspange.
Ich denke, ob dir mit Schienen geholfen werden kann, wird dir nur ein Arzt in einem persönlichen Beratungsgespräch sagen können. Also am besten einfach mal einen Termin zur Erstberatung beim KFO deiner Wahl machen. Und falls du dir Gedanken bzgl. Kosten für dieses Gespräch machst - in der Regel bezahlt die KK die Erstberatung.
 
Hey domreuter, tonguecrib16 und alle anderen Mitleser.

Danke euch zweien für eure Antworten. Ich hatte zwar auf mehr Erfahrungen und Antworten gehofft, aber jetzt kann ich ja zu mehr Erfahrungsberichten beitragen.  ;)

Ich habe mich dafür entschieden einfach auf mich zukommen zu lassen, was mein aktueller KFO für nötig hält. Dementsprechend habe ich bei meinem letzten Termin die Knöpfchen geklebt bekommen.
Das Anbringen dieser Knöpfe war nötig, da ich nicht wie domreuter Bänder um die Backenzähne hab, sondern spezielle Abschlussbrakets. Diese sehen aus wie Bänder auf der Außenseite, also so Röhrchen und Haken für Elastics, aber halt nicht mehr.
Zurück zum Thema: Das Anbringen der Knöpfchen war unspektakulär und hat vielleicht 5 Minuten gedauert. Die Zunge war die ersten Tage etwas Zickig, aber man hat sich echt schnell dran gewöhnt und nimmt sie kaum noch war. Nur ab und zu kratzt die Zunge nochmal dran vorbei. Zu den Elastics die dann von oben innen nach unten außen verlaufen. Auch diese haben am Anfang die Zunge ein wenig geärgert und ich hab ein bisl gelispelt, aber das war wirklich nur minimal und war nach ungefähr 24/36 Stunden wieder gegessen.
Insgesamt darf ich 4 Gummis 24 Stunden/Tag spannen. Rechts wie links identisch ein Gummi vom 3er oben zum 7er unten und vom 6er oben innen zum 6er unten außen.
Die 6er im Oberkiefer sind ziemlich beleidigt, dass sie nach außen gezogen werden. Wenn ich die Gummis zum essen rausnehme muss ich 5 Minuten warten bevor ich schmerzfrei kauen kann.

Zusammenfassend würde ich sagen: Am Anfang gewöhnungsbedürftig, was sich nach wenigen Tagen erledigt hat und ab da einfach nur ein bisl fummelig die Gummis einzuhängen. Ansonsten gibt es garantiert Schlimmeres und Unangenehmeres.

Ich hoffe ich konnte dem ein oder anderen dem das noch bevor steht eine eventuelle Unsicherheit nehmen und würde mich freuen vielleicht doch noch von der/dem einen oder anderen Leidensgenossin/en zu lesen.  ;D

P.s.: @ domreuter: Bezüglich der Frage nach Eitelkeit - Nee, damit hab ich kein Problem. Hab silberne Metallbrackets und musste auch schon wesentlich auffäligere Gummis (OK 3er zu UK 3er und 4er spannen).  ;)
 
Got them on today!

Got the Empowered brackets, not the In-Ovation R as mentioned earlier.
Had an appointment at 11:30 for the upper brackets, only took half an hour to put on. When the doctor removed the cheekretractor I was shocked how bulky those brackets felt and stil feel!
After that she did put in a very thin wire. Not sure which gauge, but TINY!
Altogether it was a pleasant experience.
When I got home my girlfriend was pretty interested, which I am happy about.
While typing this I have my braces for about 12 hours and no discomfort or regrets yet.
So far I am VERY happy with my braces!

If you have any questions/comments feel free to ask by PM or in this topic.

Here are some photo's:

front:          https://ibb.co/f1PwyZP
Right side:  https://ibb.co/VV9vyGz
Side profile: https://ibb.co/4Kp3Js4
Upper jaw:  https://ibb.co/y6h8Bb8

 

Braces-Fan

Bronce Member
Hi all,

As long as I know I have "something" with braces.
When I was about 13 years old the dentist referred me to an local orthodontist because of some crookedness/crowding.
A few months later the appointment was made and an estimented treatmentplant came up:
Wearing a activator for about an year, after that I had to wear fixed braces for about 1,5 years and possible headgear as well.
My mom thought I had to make the decision myself, and my dad thought it was not necessary.
Unfortunately at the time I didn't had the courage to go through with treatment, even though I already had something with braces back then.

Fastforward to about 10 years, not much had change teethwise. Altough some wear and tear had occurred because of "teen sins"; bad hygiene and overconsumption of soda's.
This caused some cavities/fillings and some mild erosion later on as wel. At this point I realised that I should be more "protective" with my teeth.
I started brushing twice a day and started using toothpicks and floss as wel. Unfortunately some irreversible damage was already done.
I've also developed a habit of teethgrinding. Some months later on my halfyear appointment I've asked my dentist if I should be conserned and what the possible remedies where.
She came up with a splint. Much like an Invisalign tray, but thicker. I've also mentioned that my canines started to "grow out" as the are pushed out a bit,
and that my gums around those teeth sometimes are a bit irritated.
On that remark she reacted a that the only solution would be a set of braces, then quickly added somewhat negative that it would take problely two years to fix the problem.

For the next year the idea of getting my teeth fixed floated around in my head, when in december last year I've made an appointment with a orthodontist to get a consultation.
The verdict came up, Fixed braces for about a year and a half an problably a quad helix as wel for widening my upper jaw somewhat. All for a price of around €2500,-.
But I didn't had a good feeling with her and her office, since I didn't really felt personally treated. I've contacted another local orthodontist and had an appointment in May this year.
He was a very nice man who treated my very personal. He even was so honest to say that I didn't really need  braces, but that there was room for improvement.
Multiple options where mentioned including traditional braces and invisalign. Since Invisalign is about twice the price that wasn't really an option.
He said to think about it and if I wanted to proceed make an appointment for a second appointment.
I talked it over with my girlfriend and she said it was up to me, but if it was necessary that I should do it. In late July I've had an appointment for Photo's and Xrays,
they also made an 3D image of my teeth with an scanner. although this was a bulky device it's apparently way better than getting molds with a plaster like substance
The orthodontist decided to start with upper braces only since I have a bit of a deepbite. The cost is around €1700,- if I only get my upper jaw fixed, or around €2200,-
if I want the full package and get both jaws fixed. I probably get the lower teeth done as wel, since I really want a nice set of teeth. The estimated is about 1 1/2 years.

Last monday I've had an appointment with an oral hygienst, since the orthodontic photos showed some brownish discoloring on my (pre)molars.
Unfortunately this couldnt be removed as it where intrinsic stains. She complimented me on my good oral health as no plaque or other oral problems.
This was a big compliment for me, since I take real good care of my teeth nowadays.
Next thursday I am getting upper self ligating braces (probably In-Ovation R brackets)!

Here are some before pictures:

Upper jaw: http://anonym.to/?http://anonym.to/?https://ibb.co/wJrJhJh
Lower jaw: http://anonym.to/?http://anonym.to/?https://ibb.co/mSNyJDk
Side view: http://anonym.to/?http://anonym.to/?https://ibb.co/yQ9df85
front view: http://anonym.to/?http://anonym.to/?https://ibb.co/N6KdFcV
smile: http://anonym.to/?http://anonym.to/?https://ibb.co/WVFvzhq

If you got any questions feel free to ask or PM

P.S. English is not my native language


 

chrigi1975

Bronce Member
Question: When I bite my teeth together, I bite the upper teeth with my lower incisors. And in such a way that further back the upper and lower rows of teeth have no contact with each other. Although my teeth otherwise stand in a row, it bothers me. Does anyone have the same problem? Or does anyone know if something like this can be fixed with transparent rails? Or do you have to open a bigger construction site? Thank you very much for your tips.
 

chrigi1975

Bronce Member
Frage: wenn ich die Zähne zusammenbeisse, beisse ich mit den unteren Schneidezähnen in die oberen. Und zwar so, dass weiter hinten die obere und untere Zahnreihe keinen Kontakt zueinander haben. Obwohl meine Zähne sonst in Reih und Glied stehen, stört es mich. Hat jemand das gleiche Problem? Oder weiss jemand ob sich sowas mit durchsichtigen Schienen beheben lässt? Oder muss man da eine grössere Baustelle auftun? Vielen Dank für Eure Tipps.
 
This is the double feed appliance.

http://anonym.to/?https://postimg.cc/gallery/i1vkk5k2/

The appliance is thick.
A lot of saliva is created.
It is very difficult to talk and it is inconvenient to keep many hours in your mouth.
The two vertical projections prevent the movement of the tongue.
I didn't understand what the two vertical protrusions are for, but they should guide the jaw for correct positioning
 

till162

Newbie
Hey ich wollte mal fragen ob jemand weiß ob es eine möglichkeit gibt ene alternative zur normalen Schiene gibt die man fest einsetzen könnte. Ich habe nämlich auch ein großes Problem damit das ich unter Stress mein kiefer sehr dolle zusammen presse.
Schonmal danke für alle Antworten.
 
Hey all,

I'm new here but have been a fan of braces since I had them over a decade ago as a teenager. My treatment at the time included a bite plate which I had to wear for over a year and the experience really made me fall in love with appliances. After I got my braces off, I wore my Hawleys religiously for many years until I foolishly and very sadly lost them in a move. Every since then, I have really missed having something in my mouth.

I've been inspired seeing some of the collections from the shop and hearing about the positive experiences.  I think it is finally time for me to get back in the braces game and most importantly fulfill some of the desires I never had in my real treatment. I am seeking an appliance which will maximally fill my mouth with acrylic and be compatible with headgear. I love the sensation of having my mouth completely full of plastic and metal and really want something which will push that to the extreme. With that in mind, here are the options I am contemplating at the shop, some of which I know are popular here:
[list type=decimal]
[*]Modified Twin-Block with pelottes and Telescope Appliance, potentially with tongue crib
I know this is a popular appliance and it seems amazing!
[*]Activator with Tongue Crib and Pelottes
[*]Modified Activator with Pelottes
[*]Stiff Activator
[/list]

Would love to hear some thoughts as to which is recommended given the experience I am after. Any advice, feedback or experiences you've had with these appliances or others would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
 
I'm not interested in having devices to wear.
I'd like to have something to collect
That's why I asked if someone was selling something
 
what do you want with used braces?! buy your own custom set at the shop..
 
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