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That is fantastic. How did your wife react when she first thought they were real?

I'm happy that you got what you wanted because I remember you were considering a real consultation some time ago. I hope you enjoy wearing them and that they give you a lot of pleasure. The best thing about recreational braces is that you can wear them as much or as little as you like, so you're in control.

Could you share a picture of the appliance? I've never seen recreational braces with clear brackets before.

I put a special request for clear ceramic brackets with the white wires and clear ligatures. I love them. They are actually so realistic since it seems so rare that people get metal braces anymore. So realistic since that I snapped a picture of myself wearing them and told my wife I got braces and she bought it as real!! Absolutely love them

Unglaublich, heute ist es so weit und meine Zahnspange feiert Geburtstag.
Fast unglaublich, dass es nun schon ganze 365 Tage sind.
Auf jeden Fall bin ich nach wie vor super happy damit und habe keine Sekunde bereut.
Die ersten Tage war es ein wenig befremdlich, mich damit in der Öffentlichkeit zu zeigen.
Aber schon nach kurzer Zeit hat sich gezeigt, dass die wenigsten Leute davon Notiz nehmen.
Die wenigen Kommentare, die ich dennoch bekommen habe, waren durchwegs positiv
und haben mich motiviert, mein Silberlächeln weiter stolz zu zeigen.
Alles in allem hoffe ich, dass ich meine Brackets noch lange tragen darf.

I can only share what I’ve learned from my own experiences of late.
As many of you know, I’ve struggled with TMJD over the last few years. There is a muscular component as well as a disc component, but they are related. Since you are saying you don’t think it’s in the actual joint and probably not related to the disc, it appears to be a muscle issue.
That being the case, heat and firm massage will be your best friend- and worst enemy. You’ve got to really dig into all the knots in your jaw muscles, temples and occipital. They are all related. Advil will give some relief as well. Stretching your jaw muscles will also help. I found one side of my jaw was tighter than the other and really focused on evening them out. I gently stretch my opening and side to side. I also do clockwise and counterclockwise circles with my jaw. I stop if it hurts or feels anything more than a slight pull. These helped me, but I stilled needed Botox to get any significant relief.
If none of these things help , you may need to find a specialist beyond your dentist. Not all dentists treat TMJ issues which may be why your dentist hasn’t addressed your concerns. I wish you the best with this as I know how miserable it can be. Please keep us posted on your progress

Interesting, you have clearly thought it through! I do wonder though if you went to get an assessment the ortho might find other issues to address too… sometimes when you see things on people’s social media they say they went to get one minor thing looked at and the ortho finds all kinds of other things to address which the patient had no idea about. The ortho is the expert after all! Would encourage you to go get an assessment if it’s bothering you at all or wven if you’re hust curious… it’s private and often free!

My lower teeth are also a little crowded, a couple are rotated maybe as much as 45 degrees ish. I did one video call consultation out of interest and submitted photos, they said they would treat it with aligners but it was considered ’mild’. However they also talked about widening both upper and lower arches too which was slightly a surprise to me.
In any case if I were to get this looked at I would want to go in-person of course, as I believe there is more chance of identifying and addressing any other underlying issues like the jaw/bite stuff, rather than just focusing on aligning my wonky ones.

I gave you that advice to get an assessment up there but I do agree it’s not the easiest appointment to book… I’m 37 married with kids and I totally get there is still a slight awkwardness about setting it all in motion…!

For a long time I think I have known the reason in my case....
My bottom teeth are a little overcrowded. There is one almost in the centre which has always been slightly sideways and slightly back as it doesnt have space.
That means that overall my bottom teeth lean out slightly.
That then means that my bottom jaw has to move back as the lower teeth have to go behind the top ones.
I have never mentioned this to the dentist or anyone but I think if that one tooth were removed, the others would be able to lean back a little more and the problem would be less.
Perhaps it would need lower braces to achieve that or a bottom removable ?
I would like / enjoy that, and it would be for real but I am probably way too old and they would probably not consider it now.

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Its very interesting when you explain it like that because I would say I am exactly the same.

I always feel that I have to bring my jaw back too far to make my back teeth meet. This is then a slightly uncomfortable position which doesnt feel right at the joint.

If I just consciously relax my jaw, only my front teeth meet, with the bottom ones perhaps just a fraction behind the top ones.

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Yes! This sounds like exactly the same description as what I feel! Which makes me wonder if other people have the same then maybe its just common and normal?! And maybe I’m just overthinking the whole thing. Especially because I don’t get any clicking and stuff that you describe which is one of the classic tmjd indicators (I can make it click by moving my jaw from side to side but thats just normal as well I guess, it doesn’t click with normal biting).

My teeth aren’t perfectly straight, especially my lowers, but I’ve never really had a proper assessment for anything. I’ll mention it again at my next dentist checkup, just curious more than anything else!

Its very interesting when you explain it like that because I would say I am exactly the same.

I always feel that I have to bring my jaw back too far to make my back teeth meet. This is then a slightly uncomfortable position which doesnt feel right at the joint.

If I just consciously relax my jaw, only my front teeth meet, with the bottom ones perhaps just a fraction behind the top ones.

Also I have spells of a few weeks at a time when I find myself involuntarily clenching my back teeth to the left or right and making the joint creak/crack. I suddenly realise I am doing it several times a minute but I am generally unaware at the time so I cant really stop myself and I suspect it doesnt do the joint much good.

As some may know, I have a full top plate simply by choice, but in all seriousness, biting is more comfortable with it in as my jaw is not forced to move back in the way you describe. (Bottom teeth touch plate and are not pushed backwards by back of top teeth....if you see what I mean.)
Back teeth never really quite come together with it in but thats never seemed an issue with chewing.
Also it stops me unconsciously causing the joint to click.

Looking for thoughts here but not expecting actual medical diagnosis or anything, please just chip in if you’re reading this!

For years I have had a small amount of aching in my jaw where it connects to the sides of my face. I am aware of course that this is the classic ‘tmj’ area but I don’t think I really have actual tmjd, it’s generally a low level ache that comes and goes. I have a little tinnitus on one side which probably isn’t related either (?) and I have mentioned this to my dentist in the past but they never seem too interested.

Anyway. As a result I have tried different ways of biting to see if I can relax my jaw more. If I FULLY relax my jaw and then slowly bite together then my front teeth meet together, back teeth don’t touch at all and my midline is off maybe 2 or 3 mm. But I don’t ‘normally’ bite like that, like if I’m eating my jaw is in a much more normal bite with back teeth meeting, a normal amount of overbite and midline is maybe 1mm off. But holding my jaw like that or chewing sometimes feels tense or more achey in my ‘tmj’ area.

I guess I’m asking is this normal? When ‘normal’ people relax your jaw is it just in the same position as when you bite/chew/etc? Again not looking for a medical diagnosis just some thoughts and opinions really!

Eigentlichcschade, dass es kein update mehr dazu gibt...

Hallo Dennis!
Nicht mal mehr eine Woche, dann ist es so weit… Bist schon leicht nervös?
Wirst sehen, ist alles hab so wild. Bin schon gespannt auf deinen Bericht von Einsetzen.
Ich hatte heute schon meinen 9. Kontrolltermin, nach mittlerweile mehr als 10 Monaten.
Hab heute zu meiner Assistentin gesagt, dass ich nich jetzt so an die Brackets gewöhnt hab und sie so mag, dass ich sie garnicht mehr hergeben mag.
Dir auf jeden Fall alles Gute und - nimms leicht und hab Spaß dabei  ;D

I got to wear 5/16" extra-heavy in a class III configuration, since about 8 weeks, for 12 hrs a day.
The tension gives a weird but feeling, but I like it. And it gives a little extra to my look.

I'm wearing 3/16 medium, class 2 on the left and class 3 on the right, to fix the midline.  My wife is wearing 3/16 X-heavy, class 2 on both side.
I have no problem opening my mouth and even eating with them on, but my wife configuration have been really hard on her.

In my case it took weeks, from the first consultation to the big time when the braces came in.
In the meantime I told my family and close friends about. Some of them were wondering, that brackets still exist, in times of invisalign. I explained all of them, that this was no option for me, because I don’t want to swallow all the microplastics that get ground from the splints. So all of them understood my arguments and fully supported my idea.
When I finally presented them my silver shiny smile, I only got comments from cool to sexy.
Sp, don’t worry, go and get them! You will love it! Enjoy the time  ;D

As a 40 something blue collar contractor working in suburban homes, I just can’t do it. I would love them so much but I’m too self conscious to do it. Really struggling with making the consultation appointment. But the website says the they always reserve time for same day braces. My fear is that I will go for the consultation and leave with a wonderful metal smile and regret it a soon as I see family, friends and clients.  :-\

Anyone have any feedback??

Feeling conflicted  :-\

Why lingual? Get the real visible ones, they look great!
I got mine last October, at the age of 54. I did not ever regret my decision and proudly show my silversmile to the world ????

So I signed up last night for an online consultation. Sent my photos, etc. this is the closest I have actually been to following thorough with treatment. I really love the metal on woman, but fantase about my own treatment. Really want to go forward with lingual treatment. My question, has anyone ever told there ortho about your deep “interest” in braces?  About 20 years ago my wife did fast braces for 6 months or so and I was too chicken I did the Invisalign route. Never truly satisfied with my lateral inciser rotation or my lower crowding.

Help!? What should I do?

Eigentlich schon fast schade, auch dass diese bei Erwachsenen nicht wirklich wirkungsvoll sind und meist nur maximal zur Fixierung nach einer festen Zahnspange und dann nur über Nacht eingesetzt werden. 

Aber wenn man sich mal vorstellen würde, dass dies der Standard auch bei Erwachsenen wäre, Dehnplatten oder ähnliches zu tragen!

1) Was für ein Typ hattet ihr (Nackenzug, Kopfzug, Kombizug), Tragedauer am Tag, in Jahren.
Zweimal Kombizug
2) Welche Fehlstellung hattet ihr?
Einige immer noch
3) Wie seid ihr mit den Schmerzen zurecht gekommen durch das Tragen?
Ich habe sie ausgehalten und wenn es zu arg wurde, habe ich eine Tablette genommen
4) Seid ihr gemobbt worden wegen dem Aussehen, von Freunden, in der Schule?
Ja
5) Häufig müssen die Weisheitsszähne während oder nach der HG-Behandlung gezogen werden. Auch bei Euch? Wie seid ihr damit klar gekommen?
Nein, Weisheitsszähne wurden nicht gezogen.
6) Leidet ihr unter dem Headgear-Effekt? Hat sich Euer Gesichtsprofil durch die Behandlung verändert (Oberlippen nach innen eingedrückt)?

7) Würdet ihr die Headgear Behandlung noch einmal mitmachen?
Nein! Vor allem, weil ich in der zweiten noch drin bin!
8) Würdet ihr die Headgear Behandlung jüngeren Patienten empfehlen?
Niemals!!!

Lingual!