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Well, a upper retainer can also interfere with the tongue. In some malocclusions it cannot be used at all, such as a deep bite. Otherwise you would bite off the upper retainer pretty quickly.
If you place the retainer too close to the gingiva, irritation or increased inflammation can occur.

The best thing to do is to ask your orthodontist if a retainer for the upper jaw is an option for you.

Best regards,
Stefan

Michael19651968 said:

I had eight good teeth taken out.

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At the age of 8, then the only adult teeth you would have had by then were your incisors, all the rest would have been your primary / baby teeth. Your primary first molars would have just come through, and your premolars would be thinking about coming through, so it sounds to me that they took out your baby teeth, to let your adult teeth grow through, no big deal there...

It sounds like there are (not many) sensible orthodontists out there somewhere.  I had far more problems chewing, after my treatment (during the last 55 years post age 13) than before.

I was gassed when I was 8.
I had eight good teeth taken out.  (It should have been maximum four, if any, and probably later on and not then.  Perhaps a few old ones were slow falling out?  Perhaps that was Nature's way of helping my skull grow?)
My chewing muscles got weakened.
I had to wear a foul contraption and it distorted my skull growth when I was far too young.
I got told there was something wrong with my looks (prior to then I thought my looks were good).
Since my front ones went back to sticking out I have felt more normal at last.
Any supposed malocclusion issues were nigh on spurious.
They should watch what they do to the young.

Claude,
I have the activator in my avatar pic. Its a bit different to some because it has full palatal coverage which I like so its just like 2 hawleys joined together. Is does have breathing / drinking space at the front.
Thats important because I sometimes cant breath through my nose.
You could drill breathing space in the front to make it easier.

You have pics of your current retainers,Claude? 

hi,

I bought one in the shop, I didn't take an option and I regret it, as a child I had an accident and I have trouble breathing through my nose and breathing through my mouth with this guy device is complicated. I should have taken the option with an opening for the straw so I hardly wear it.

Having had braces in middle school and vaguely actually remembering having them, I didn’t obviously wear  my retainer and my teeth began to shift. Once college ended the desire to fix them was extremely strong but couldn’t swallow the thought of actually having braces. Fresh out of college hoping to explore my twenties I figured this would hinder this completely so I ultimately went to a dentist who failed to truly explain everything that came with Invisalign. As far as I was concerned it was basically what the commercials made it seem to be. I remember the day I went to get them fitted and figured just get them clicked in and I’d be on my way. I remember laying back as the tech said we’re gonna add the attachments. I asked what they were and she explained little bumps on your teeth to help anchor the trays. Again no idea what these were I asked if there were a lot and she kinda smirked and said it’s definitely on the higher side but again you can hardly notice them. I get them on and finally get sat up. She handed me a mirror and to my surprise they actually were hard to see. Now she puts the trays in and feel tight pressure and the attachments were massive. Giant rectangles on basically every tooth. It looked exactly like ceramic brackets. Needless to say I finished treatment after 44 trays and elastics halfway through and seeing how noticeable and non-invisible I’d certainly go with ceramic braces in todays world if I had to go through the process all over again

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Charlie0186 said:

I think that ceramic brackets and Invisalign attachments attract attention because there's something odd about them.  It might be that they make the teeth look discoloured.  Whatever it is, I think it's the same as someone behaving strangely because of new braces.  I think that's why metal braces go unnoticed when people smile and go about their day confidently.

I'm looking forward to hearing your experiences after you get yours fitted, ineedbraces25.  Maybe you'll prove me entirely wrong  :

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I agree with you 100%, that’s why metal was my choice as well.

I’m definitely not skilled enough for that and I don’t want to damage someone’s mouth 

What if instead you got brackets and wire and stuff and fitted braces on someone yourself?

Hi all,
I’m looking for someone who I can give fake braces. Let me explain:
I’m looking for someone (preferably from the Netherlands) who wants to get fake braces from bracesshop, but I decide what you will get, will make the impressions and place it in your mouth (as a ortho would do). We could split the cost of the appliance or make an other arrangement  

Wer von euch hat den Headgear Activator nach van Beek im Shop bestellt?
Welche Änderungen haben Sie vorgenommen?
Ich habe im Laden gesehen, dass es jemand gekauft hat.


Which of you ordered the Headgear Activator according to van Beek from the shop?
What changes have you made?
I saw in the shop that someone bought it.

In fact I think I had one row too many teeth pulled out when I was 8 (in preparation).

I think my skull needed to deepen and the treatment prevented that, causing (and worsening) a great many disabilities and ailments through life.

I was told my looks were bad and needed improving (this was not so).

You have used a very strange phrase, "If you are unhappy with how your teeth are you can still get braces".  Why would you use such a phrase.

Didn't you realise braces are about more than teeth and that happiness is about more than pleasing other people's false opinions?

I think any malocclusion issue was exaggerated.

I have a unique perspective for this survey. The first time I had braces in my teens, they were metal. The second time I had braces in my 30s they were ceramic. The third time I started braces it was supposed to be Invisalign, but I ended up having a miserable allergic reaction to them. I was then given the choice of ceramic or metal braces. I choice metal because I found ceramic braces to be bulkier and they stained. Worst of all, when it’s time to have them removed, the brackets don’t come off easily in one piece. This requires them to be ground off and can (did) cause damage to the enamel. Even if I was allergic to Invisalign, I would not choose it again. The attachments felt uncomfortable like bad nail polish that can’t be picked off soon enough, and the trays very squeaky against each other. Further, my kids and some friends have Invisalign. They have all had trouble getting their teeth in a good finishing alignment. Invisalign did great for the large movements of teeth, but fine detail does not work great. A few of my friends gave up. My daughter is very frustrated with the process. I asked her orthodontist if fixed braces would be easier to take care of the alignment, but she doesn’t want the hassle of restarting with brackets that would “need to be perfectly aligned on the teeth” to straighten them. Sigh.
In the meantime, I’m chugging along with my metal braces with at least a year to year and a half left with the possibility of jaw surgery.

I never had a choice. Both previous times they were vermillion opaque from 2 different orthodontists. I’m not sure what I would prefer, discretion with a lisp or flamboyance with a lisp.

Here are the pictures of the removed Carriere, lower lingual holding arch (LLHA), and permanent retainer.

The removed appliances (with tape measure for scale): https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/00C62dRg2y

Here is the right molar band of the LLHA. When it was placed, they couldn't get the bands seated all the way and my upper molars were hitting some of the metal, so you can see where they ground down the tie wing: https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/170EQM77U3

Here's the molar band of the LLHA, with its intact tie wing: https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/9H36t5Cv1T

Here is the permanent retainer. Where it's darker is where it was glued to my teeth: https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/9X8h710002

My device is a one-piece device that handles both the upper palate and teeth, and the lower teeth.

When you wear it, both the upper and lower parts of your mouth are hooked by the braces, so you don't have the mouth movement you normally would when speaking without braces.

It gives you the feeling of being trapped.

All this, however, obviously does not prevent the mouth from opening.

You can safely open your mouth and in that case the appliance remains hooked only above and no longer hooked to the lower part.

Then just close the bacchus to hook the lower part again.

The word is already severely limited by the fact that the braces cover the entire palate up to the upper teeth. The word is severely limited by the fact that the lower part of the appliance also has a protrusion that covers the lower teeth from behind.

It is very difficult both to speak and to be understood.

The ball obstructs the tongue.
You can also play it using the language itself. You can make it rotate on itself or make it move from side to side.

The tongue will never touch the lower or upper teeth as the appliance is completely closed and completely covers the upper and lower teeth from the inside.
There is therefore no way to touch the teeth with the tongue.

I don't think it's necessary to have the tongue grid on, it's more fun to have the ball.

Given their thickness, the pelottes make the upper and lower lips protrude.
It is therefore impossible to be able to completely close your mouth if you want to close your lips.

This device is very noticeable in my case.

As you will have seen from the photos, I have chosen very visible colors.
The celestial/blue color for the plaque with a little orange color mixed in.
The orange color for the pelottes and the tube covering the upper and lower arch.

The tubes for the headgear make it an even more interesting device.

If you wear the external bow by combining high pull headgear and cervical headgear together you will feel totally caged.

The device is very difficult to remove. Once released from the lower part by opening the mouth. You will have to help yourself a lot with your hands.

The palate is already very limited, if you see, I requested that the upper part cover the entire palate and be thick.

I would suggest adding two beads to prevent tongue movement, or one larger bead.

You may also request that acrylic vestibular shields be added to the left and righe side (such as Frankel braces) to make it even more uncomfortable.

Is your device one piece or two pieces? how secure is it to wear (without headgear) - I want something almost invisible. Is it difficult to open the mouth when wearing?. I also wonder about the pelottes - do they prevent the lips from closing together?
I also notice your version has a bead instead of a tongue crib. Does that restrict speech more than the tongue crib?
Can anything else be added or changed to restrict speech further, or make it more difficult to remove quickly?