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Louis03M

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I ordered from the shop Rapid Palatal Expander.
I was very impressed by the device and therefore I requested some changes:

1) Right side color: red
2) Left side color: blue
3) Add a bite plane for front teeth. Color for bite plane: light green
4) Add acrylic plate that cover the expansion screw. Color for the plate: cyan
5) Add headgear tube

Here you will find photos of device:
https://shorturl.at/eqDZ4

What do you think ?
Have you made any other changes to the device?
Do any of you have this device?

Go wild with the answers
 
I've got full braces!

The other day I had the appointment to remove the Carriere, LLHA, and my permanent retainer and got brackets on the rest of my teeth (first molar to first molar, top and bottom).

At the beginning of the appointment, I informed the assistant that I wanted to keep everything that was removed. The tone of voice she responded with indicated that she thought that was a strange request, but she did let me (the assistant I had at my previous appointment was much more cheery and positive in her response when I asked her if I could keep everything).

First thing she did was remove the LLHA. She popped the bands of each molar, and it came right out. It felt nice having a little more space for my tongue.

Then the Carriere bars were removed. The right side popped off relatively easily, but the left side took a little more work (though still nowhere as bad as I’ve seen online some people say). Then their hygienist ground off the leftover cement from the Carriere, and it was just as unpleasant as when back in the fall when I had the front four brackets replaced. I swear that when I got my braces off as a kid, getting the excess cement off was much more gentle, and quieter, too.

The molar bands didn’t leave any cement to grind/polish off because they apparently use a kind that just flakes apart when the bond is broken (according to the assistant).

The assistant put the Carriere bars and the LLHA in a ziploc bag for me and handed it to me.

I think they were supposed to remove the permanent retainer at this point, but the assistant hasn’t noticed it, so I was taken to a different room for updated photos to be taken.

I then went back and waited for the ortho for a bit. I mention the permanent retainer to the assistant, and also picked out my ligature color in this time, too. I went with green, even though I had it somewhat recently. I may have been up for trying something that stuff out a little more, but my high school 20th reunion is in a couple weeks, and am thinking of going to some of it. It’s one thing that I’ll have braces for it (when I had braces the first time was in middle school, but high school was basically all the same kids), but I didn’t want to have like people or orange or something on top of that. The assistant put the green ligatures on the four brackets of my upper incisors (since those would be staying put).

A few minutes before the ortho was ready to come over to me, the assistant polished and etched my teeth and put on the primer (I think; they paint something on the teeth and cure it with UV light, and the the brackets are bonded onto that).

After a bit of a wait, the ortho came over and they placed the brackets, from first molar to first molar top and bottom, other that the top incisors which already had brackets. They put bonded buccal tubes with hooks on my first molar. The upper canines and premolars got Damon Q brackets, while it seems that all of my lower premolars, canines, and incisors got Damon Ultima brackets (which is what my upper incisors have; the upper canines and first premolars had Damon Q before the Carriere was placed, but I didn’t know if that was because they know those brackets would get removed and replaced before doing much).

The way my ortho puts on braces, the assistant hands him one bracket at a time, “loaded” so to speak on a tool (don’t know the name, but pliers or tweezers or something). The orthodontist would place and align the bracket, scrape off the excess cement, and then cures it himself before moving on to the next bracket.

After he was done, he told the assistant the wire size that I'd be getting and said something about 12 hours. He left, and the assistant did another round of UV light on all the brackets, I think to make sure the cement was all fully cured. Then she flossed between my lower incisors, to make sure no cement got in between my teeth, I think.

Having brackets on all of these teeth again felt kind of weird, but not as "mouth-filling" as the Carriere and LLHA did at first.

I then got .014 round wires on both top and bottom (I bet CuNiTi). I was curious what size the orthodontist would go with, since on one hand the upper and lower incisors were each already lined up with respect to themselves, but on the other hand I now have gaps in my upper teeth and my upper canines are too low compared to the other teeth and my lower premolars need rotated (and the lower right first premolar got pushed out of line and kind of became a snaggletooth from the force of the elastics while I had the ). As the wires were put in and the doors were closed on the brackets, I could feel a bit of tension across my teeth.

After that, the hygienist came over and removed my permanent retainer from my lower incisors. It took a while to grind away all of the cement, especially since there was a lot used on my canines, because the wire had been popped free of them at dentist appointments back when I was a teen, and the ortho's office put it back on with way more cement than they used the first time. Again, both the sensation and the sound of the tool is terrible. It sounds awfully destructive, and so you're almost surprised that your teeth aren't damaged afterwards. I was pleased to see that the wire of the retainer came out in one piece (they didn't cut it or anything before removing it. After the hygienist left but before the assistant came back, I grabbed the wire off the tray and put in my my bag.

When the assistant came back, she added hooks to the brackets on my upper canines. The Damon brackets don't come with hooks built in to the posterior brackets, but instead have little vertical holes in the base where a hook can be added. I am to continue wearing class 2 elastics, but just 12 hours at night, and they are much weaker than what I wore with the Carriere. The assistant put them on briefly to show me how and she said I'd barely feel them, which was true. They are 5/16" (7.94mm) in diameter and 2oz (60gm) in force. They are so thin that they look like there was a manufacturing mistake, and if I try to grab just one or two from the bag I easily get five or more. They stretch so easily that it doesn't feel right.

After that, the assistant put the green ligatures on the upper canine brackets, gave me some bags of elastics, and I was on my way.

Seeing myself in the mirror with full braces wasn't as big of a shock or adjustment as seeing myself with the partial braces was last June. Definitely much more of a "silver" smile, though, partially because the colored ligatures are only on the top front six teeth, and because the premolar brackets have larger pads where they're glued onto the teeth, so those teeth are a little more shiny.

So far, there's been soreness basically in all the teeth from first premolar to first premolar; the second premolars and first molars haven't felt much yet. The tooth that has been the most sore in my upper left lateral incisor, which is the tooth that was slightly behind the other before getting my braces on last year.

My next adjustment in in eight weeks, though I haven an appointment here in a couple days because the night after I got the full braces on I noticed sensitivity along the gumline of one of the molars that were banded for the LLHA. It's still sensitive, so they're having me come in for the ortho to take a look at it. Hopefully it's not serious and resolves on its own soon.

Here's a picture of the full braces. You can see the premolar that got pushed out of line and the larger premolar bracket pads. The hooks on the upper canine brackets are sorta visible, but they're out of focus:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/Zp62SWA7f6

I intend to take pictures of the removed appliances soon to show, and am more than willing to answer questions.
 
jayson2517 said:
I haven't gotten braces yet but getting them. I just got headgear 3 weeks ago and have to wear it all the time I cannot take it off because it's attached to my molar bands. I have an overbite and misaligned jaws and soft bone tissue disorder which is apparently why I have to wear the headgear all the time. It was explained to me that the headgear pulls my upper jaw back and holds it in place until it will stay in the right position if I take it off my jaw will shift back to where it was. I have to wear this for 9-12 months.

I think this fits in the fantasy section  :P
 
I haven't gotten braces yet but getting them. I just got headgear 3 weeks ago and have to wear it all the time I cannot take it off because it's attached to my molar bands. I have an overbite and misaligned jaws and soft bone tissue disorder which is apparently why I have to wear the headgear all the time. It was explained to me that the headgear pulls my upper jaw back and holds it in place until it will stay in the right position if I take it off my jaw will shift back to where it was. I have to wear this for 9-12 months.
 
I understand that teeth can move throughout our lives.

If you are unhappy with how your teeth are you can still get braces in your 60s. I got them at 57 ( having had a removable brace as an adolescent and subsequent relapse) and was happy with the outcome. But my teeth did shift a little bit again and I wore a modified hawley ten years later to nudge them back into place.
 
I had a lot of teeth taken out when I was 8 and wore a plate from age 10 to 13.

Since I've been in my 60s my top front teeth have reverted to their former jaunty angle.

I was not led to expect this.

(I have also inferred I have other minor skull characteristics, which weren't drawn to my attention.)

Any more people have their teeth angle change in later life?
 
Hallo wieder einmal.
Gestern hatte ich wieder einen Kontrolltermin, der diesmal etwas länger gedauert hat.
Diesmal gab es eine längere Begutachtung des Ergebnisses, es sind "nur noch Kleinigkeiten" zu machen. Es sieht so aus, als ob es bald geschafft ist.

Zu den Details:
Unten passt der rechte 1er passt nicht, weil er zu weit vorne und noch etwas schief liegt. Weiters passt die Verzahnung schon recht gut, jedoch ist rechts der Kontakt etwas früher als links. Hier wurde der Bogen entfernt, neu gebogen und von 1 bis 4 jeweils 2 Zähne verblockt. Diesmal war es anfangs etwas schmerzhaft, mittlerweile ist es erträglich. Währenddessen ist auch das 1er Bracket links herunter gegangen und musste neu geklebt werden.
Oben hab ich darum gebeten, die Enden zu kürzen, da der Draht wieder gestochen hat.
Auf die Weisheitszähne angesprochen: Die werden nicht weiter behandelt, der vormals eingewachsene Weisheitszahn soll entfernt werden, da er am voranliegenden Mahlzahn schon etwas Schaden angerichtet hätte. Er dürfte jedoch keinen Kontakt haben. Ich werde das mit meiner Hauszahnärztin bis zum nächsten Termin besprechen.

Heute, am Tag danach merke ich beim Essen auf der rechten Seite eine gewisse Schmerzempfindlichkeit, mal sehen, wie das die nächsten Tage weitergeht.
Der nächste reguläre Termin ist Ende August, ich halte euch auf dem Laufenden.

Bis bald!
 
Meinen Retainer trage ich nahezu jede Nacht.  Meine beiden weiteren Spangen, Aktivator und Bionator, trage ich öfters zu Hause tagsüber.
 
Small update here.

A week and a half ago I had a dental cleaning, and the hygienist seemed to do a good job cleaning around everything. The assistant who took bitewing x-rays saw my lower lingual holding arch and thought it was a retainer and asked me to remove it.

This past week, I hit one year of having my braces. it's weird, because my bite is worse now than it was then, and I have visible gaps that I didn't have them, but that's just due to the process and the way my ortho decided to treat me.

This week, I get the Carriere and LLHA (and my 24-year-old permanent retainer) removed and get full braces. Like I mentioned last time, I intend to ask to keep everything that's removed. I haven't decided what color ligatures I want to try, maybe a darker blue but I'm not sure yet.
 
Mein Ehemann hat sich mir zu liebe fake Zahnspangen machen lassen, lose für oben und unten mit Headgear.  Den Headgear mag er leider gar nicht, aber die losen Spangen trägt er relativ oft,auch wenn wir Ausflüge machen. Finde es voll süß wenn er damit redet und ein bisschen lispelt. Ihm macht es nix aus die Zahnspange auch in der Öffentlichkeit zu tragen.
 
Bei mir war es genau andersherum: Ich hatte eine Behandlung mit diversen losen Spangen.
Als die Behandlung vorüber war, habe ich plötzlich die Spangen vermisst, was ich mir vorher nie erdenken konnte.
Deshalb habe ich u.A. ein Paar Dehnplatten, die wie meine originalen Spangen aussehen. Die trage ich des Nachts und die meiste Zeit, wenn ich zu Hause bin.

An den Schrauben dreheh ich nicht mehr, da würden die Spangen ja wieder aktiv werden, aber so sind die Spangen fast nicht mehr spürbar, sind also wie Retainer, und das sollte man ja auch nach einer Behandlung tun  :)

Wenn du einen Fehlstand hast, dann ist es aber nie zu spät für eine Behandlung. Vielen KFO bieten Ratenzahlungen an.
Du wirst aber dann wahrscheinlich feste Spangen bekommen, da brauchst du dir aber wegen der Tragezeit keine Gedanken mehr machen.
 
Last appointment started with the ortho asking me if I had any problems with the new hawley. I said that everything was fine. I admitted the few small modifications I made to relieve the pressure in a few spots and round the edges. She didn't scold me but said that I should tell her if I do something like that so at least she can check that I didn't break anything. She checked the fit and made a few slight modifications for it to sit better. I asked her if we could check the bite with the plate in as I was wearing it for 16 hours straight to see if it affects my bite while wearing (as all the other removable braces I had had done). Luckily the bite was fine.

She activated the labial bow to apply pressure to my incisors and also push back the canines where the gaps were starting to reopen slightly. She also activated the spring behind my left lateral incisor to push it out a bit.

After the adjustment, we looked at the initial models of my teeth before starting treatment and models of the current state made during the previous visit. It's crazy to see the direct comparison. The lower incisors looked really rotated compared to now. The visible gaps behind my upper canines are gone. The molars have good contact now, especially considering the intermediate state where I had a posterior open bite due to the posterior bite plane.
The wisdom tooth didn't have any contact previously and were tilted outward. They now have contact towards the front. However, as I already noticed and tried to explain previously to the ortho, they don't have contact toward the back. That was really noticeable on the models. I asked her, if that could be fixed. She said that if it bothers me, she can add a button to the top wisdom tooth and use triangle elastics to pull it further down. However, it'll interfere with the new hawley plate. As such, she'll wait and see if maybe the wires of the hawley that go around the wisdom teeth and hook above them may be able to push them down.
I got a date for the next appointment for 8 weeks later and was on my way.

During the days after I noticed that my right lateral incisor was being pushed inwards too much. I went back to the ortho where she adjusted it a bit. She also adjusted the spring on the other incisor. Afterwards, when biting down I was biting on the spring, so she bent it up. However, this bending up means that after wearing the brace for a few hours it becomes a bit looser and the spring pushes it downwards making the front be lower in my mouth. At the same time it digs into my gums at the back more, which creates a significant impression in my gums when I take it out. Previously I was able to round off the edge a bit to make it less. But with the added pressure the plastic is too thin to properly round off to not create that imprint. I guess when the brace will be modified next (e.g. when the incisor spring is removed), I'll ask the ortho to make the acrylic a bit thicker (of course the imprint isn't the only motivator for that, but a good excuse ;) ).

Embracer said:
I usually only ear them at night so risk of staining is minimal. But I did wear the second hawley 24/7 for 6 months after some relapse and was meticulous in taking it out when eating or drinking anything.
I only drink water. And even with wearing my night guard only during the night, it started to turn yellow-brownish after about a year. I hope that it won't happen with the hawley, but either way I can't change it now.

Embracer said:
Your hawley has a huge plate and a very visible labial bow. I presume that is to your liking? Good luck with it!
The huge palatal plate was my request as previous removable braces left impressions in my gums which hurt when taking them out. One of the previous appliances already had full palatal coverage, which alleviated it. The labial acrylic is quite something to get used to, and to be honest I expected buccal acrylic coverage of the wire. As the wire is digging into my cheeks a bit, maybe that's another request I can make in the future.

My next appointment is on Tuesday. Let's see what it'll have in store.
 
Naja,
ich habe gravierende Fehlstellungen könnte eh ne echte Spange gebrauchen.

OK Engstand, Progenie....

Aber ne echte Behandlung wäre mir zu teuer und zu langwierig. Vermutlich würde es auf eine OP hinauslaufen.

Da ich keine Beschwerden habe lass ich es so wie es ist und trage meine Fake Spange.

Wenn ich jetzt zu sehr an den Dehnschrauben drehe verändert sich vielleicht die Zahnstellung und ich kann nicht mehr ganz zubeissen?



 
Was verstehst denn unter schädlich?
Im schlimmsten fall brauchst du eine echte Zahnspange - und ob das für einen von uns so schädlich ist??? ????
 
Habe seit fast zwei Wochen ein Y Dehnplatte für den OK

Ich trage sie fast jede Nacht. Hab auch schon bissle an den Schrauben gedreht um Druck zu spüren.

Weis nur nicht ab wann das schädlich werden kann?

 
Ich trage meine Retainer nahezu täglich zum Schlafen. Hilft mir in der Nacht weniger zu speicheln. Mit Headgear habe ich es auch schon versucht,  aber wegen der unbequemen Kopfkappe, habe ich ihn seit meiner Behandlung vor vielen Jahren nicht mehr die ganze Nacht über getragen.
 
pi314phi18 said:
I'm not a professional but your problems sounds like posterior open bite and edge to edge bite.

yup I have that same bite. It's a skeletal class 3 where the upper jaw didn't grow forward enough but my front teeth line up kinda edge to edge and none of my back teeth touch when I bite down except my wisdom tooth on one side.

For me, I tried to have this bite camouflaged with Invisalign a year ago with elastics that were pushing my lower jaw back (and IPR lower row), but it caused me severe TMJ pain and my jaw to lock shut for five months. So now I'm in braces to  align my teeth right (make the underbite worse basically) in prep for jaw surgery next year to move the upper or both jaws forward slightly.

I'd just say, be very careful if they want to use elastics to camouflage a bite like this...the tension pushing the lower jaw back in the joint and over time (talking 6+ months) can significantly worsen TMJ issues especially if you had some prior like me. My jaw joints are still fucked and I have daily pain, not sure it will ever be normal again. So just..be careful please, OP. Ask a ton of questions about what they plan to do.
 
I had another appointment last week, and now have a date to get my bottom braces on!

It was again a very simple appointment. The orthodontist looked at my teeth and my bite and said things are moving well. In spite of what he said last time, he's having me continue to wear elastics on both sides (still the same strength elastics, since he said they're working well).

The ortho then said that at my next appointment, they’ll remove the Carriere, lower lingual holding arch, and permanent retainer (that I still have from having braces as a kid), and put on lower braces (and brackets on the upper teeth that don’t have them because of the Carriere). He didn’t mention bite turbos, but at my consultation I was told I would probably get bite turbos on the back of my upper front teeth. He did say that I'd probably continue to wear an elastic on my right side to finish fixing the bite on that side (the left side will be corrected or overcorrected). At my consult, I was told I'd wear posterior box elastics once I got full braces (to close my bite in the back to help fix my deep bite), so I'm not sure which it'll be now.

At the end of my appointment, I asked the assistant if I can keep anything once it's removed, and she said sure if I want to (otherwise they just throw it out in a sharps container), and that she'd put a note in my chart and I should just tell whoever when the appliances get removed. I want to keep all the appliances, as well as my old permanent retainer (I'll have had it for 24 years).

At this appointment, I got ligatures that are a pale blue, kind of like a sky blue. The assistant said it's one of their most popular colors, but I'm not wild about it. From a short distance away, it's basically unnoticeable (what with being behind the brackets and the archwire). It makes it a decent neutral option while still having some color, I guess, but I've liked the bolder colors I've had so far. I haven't wanted to repeat anything and get stuck just having the same color every time, though. Right now I'm thinking I might try their dark blue next time.

My next appointment will be at the end of June, so full braces a little over a year after starting treatment. I have a dentist appointment two weeks before that. I'm curious how difficult it will be for the hygienist to clean around/behind the LLHA (especially since it is very nearly touching my permanent retainer). I was supposed to have that dentist appointment a week before this most recent ortho appointment, but I rescheduled it because I had a cold. I was wondering if I'd get the bottom braces before or after the rescheduled dentist appointment.

A couple days after this past appointment, the elastics hook on my right-side molar band hooked my cheek a little one morning, and caused a fair amount of irritation for several days. I was using wax on that hook every day until just a couple days ago.
 
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