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servus Smilie84

daß sich die antworten und erfahrungsberichte überschaubar hielten, könnte evt. auch daran liegen, werden solche gaumenbügel (palatinalbogen, transpalatinalbogen) wohl nicht so häufig verwendet. selbiges könnte evt. für die knöpfchenvariante mit den gummizügen, gelten. kreuzbisse scheinen zwar recht verbreitet zu sein, wohl beinahe so wie feste spangen (multibracket apparaturen), weshalb im zuge einer solchen behandlung, kreuzbisse gleich mit erledigt werden.

meinerseits, und da ewig bespangt, hatte meiner einer vorallem in der ersten lebenshälfte, solche palatinalbogen wiederholt. die einen verliefen entlang dem gaumen, die anderen horizontal, zwischen den 6er und 7ner.die ersteren, entlang dem gaumdach verlaufenden, sind effektiv und die angenehmeren. ein solcher wäre wahrscheinlich auch bei dir zum einsatz gelangt, da sie dazu dienen, zähne zu kippen. letztere, die horizontalen, ebenfalls effektiv, dienen zum drehen bzw. rotieren. vorallem diese, graben sich buchstäblich in die zunge ein, erzeugen deutliche abdrücke und erschweren das schlucken bei den mahlzeiten, nebst dem immer mal wieder würgereiz entsteht. sehr gerne bleibt auch was dran hängen, was umso mühsamer ist (man vermeide speisen mit lauch.  ;D ). bei den ersteren, die dem gaumendach entlang velaufenden, ist die problematik zwar nicht ganz so "extrem", aber doch auch vorhanden. kurzum, beim verzehr von speisen, waren mit der zunge immer turnübungen erforderlich.


betreffenden den knöpfchen und gummizügen: ja, es macht in der tat sinn, werden die gummizüge mehrmals am tag gewechselt, zwecks konstant hoher zugkraft. diese kleinen gummiringe leiern erfahrungsgemäß recht schnell aus. darüber hinaus weisen sie eine weitere problematik auf: da die gummizüge von OK-aussen nach UK-innen verlaufen, beißt man gerne mal drauf, was zur folge haben kann, geht so ein gummizug hin. in einem solchen falle einfach auswechseln und gut ist.  ;)  wobei auch zu sagen ist, man gewöhnt sich recht schnell dran. da mir diese variante ebenfalls bekannt ist und ich erfahrungen mit habe, kann ich nur bestätigen, ist dies die angenehmste, vllt. auch unkomplizierteste, wenn's um kippen und drehen von 6ern und 7nern geht.

und von wegen unkompliziert: während man gummizüge zum zähenputzen kurz mal aushängt, um mit der zahnbürste auch die innenseite der zähne sauber zu bekommen, erweist sich dies in der tat als unkompliziert. deutlich mehr vorsicht ist geboten, wenn man mit der zahnbürste bei den palatinalbogen, insbesondere bei den horizontalen, herum hantiert. da wirds schon weng tricki.  ;D

gruss, wolfram
 
servus Smilie84

deine fragen, überlegungen sind nicht verkehrt bzw. verständlich. die situation auf den skipisten, hat sich vielen berichten und statistiken zufolge, tatsächlich bis hin zu deutlich verändert und leider nicht zum guten. vor etwa 25 jahren, fuhr ich über einen sehr langen zeitraum aktiv(!) ski-alpin und -nordic. daher kenn ich die sache und kann anhand aktueller berichte und statistiken abschätzen, wie sich der verlauf der veränderung gestaltet.

wie du schreibst, hattest du jetzt 1,5 jahre ski-pause, fuhrst davor aber offensichtlich schon ski, nur jetzt eben mit fester zahnspange, als einzigen unterschied. an deiner stelle, solltest du dir nicht so den wahnsinns kopf machen, von wegen zahn- und oder spangenschaden. viel eher wäre ratsam, dich vor urlaub grundsätzlich mal auf zu trainieren, bevor du dich auf die bretter stellst gut auf zu wärmen, zu dehnen und durch zu bewegen. alleine dies schon, verhindert so manch saudummen sturz, welcher sich elegant hätte vermeiden lassen. eine weitere möglichkeit ist auch, wählst du bspw. an etwa den ersten beiden tagen, eher leichte pisten, vllt. auch wenig frequentierte, so du dich in ruhe wieder einfahren und deine form finden kannst.

falls du dich trotzallen guten hinweisen und vorschlägen wohler fühlst, einen sportzahnschutz zu verwenden, dann steht dir das selbstverständlich frei.

ich habe hierzu kurz mal tante google belästigt und füge dir ein paar links ein:
1.) https://www.kieferorthopaedie-my-smile.de/zahnspangen-mundschutz-sportler.php 
2.) https://kfo-dipsche-aschheim.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/sportmundschutz_774.jpg 
3.) https://zahnarztpraxis-jolantalange.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Zahnschutz_Sport_Lange.jpeg

wenn du weitere fragen hast, melde dich ungeniert wieder.

grüsse, wolfram
 
Wow Anita that sounds like a lot of metal going on around your mouth. I just had my first check up appointment after I got the bonded hyrax expander in my upper jaw. Things are going great. I will have to turn it each week for 1 more month and after that I will get the tpa in my upper jaw with fixed braces. Later on I will get fixed braces in my lower jaw combined with elastics to fit my bite. I hope I can get the brackets after x-mas but we will see. For now things work out fine and a don't have a gap between my front theet yet but I'll guess it will come in the next week or so. However it will all my worth it in the end!
 
Is the tpa uncomfortable? What kind of elastics do you have?

Last week, I got my upper expander out. My orthodontist placed a new upper tongue crib and this one feels like it hangs down lower and is more uncomfortable. He activated my herbst to bring my lower jaw forward more. Again, it's hard for my teeth to touch. He also attached some wires to my braces for hooks and started me on elastics. I have to wear two triangles on each side and one on a box in the front. They are tight and it's hard to open my mouth. I got a lower lip bumper to help with crowding on my lower teeth. But worst of all, he fit me with headgear. It has a harness that goes around the top and back of my head and a strip on the sides that the facebow attaches too. I feel a lot of pressure when it's attached. My orthodontist said it's supposed to pull in my overbite and keep my back molars in place. I'm supposed to wear it at least 16 hours a day, more if I can.

I went back to the surgeon last week and I am scheduled to get my chin implant this week. We had discussed jaw surgery at the beginning, but the herbst is moving my jaw forward. He noted that I have more of a jawline with the herbst and my treatment, just no chin. He wanted to do the implant while I was still in the herbst and braces so they could be adjusted more if need be. He said that giving me a chin would accentuate my jawline more. It will be a procedure where I should be able to go home that day.


 
Halte ich für übertrieben. Klar, auf die Schnauze fallen kann man auch beim Skifahren, ebenso wie beim Fahrradfahren. Aber die Wahrscheinlichkeit halte ich für nicht sonderlich hoch. Helm ist viel wichtiger, gerade wenn man schon länger nicht mehr auf Skiern war. Meiner Meinung nach wenigstens. Zahnschutz empfiehlt / rentiert sich eher bei Ball- und Kontaktsportarten. Und ist Pflicht beim Eishockey... ::)

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Interesting. Yes, I had a jones-jig and nance appliance before upper and lower ceramic braces
 
Yeah it was pretty rough, not being able to talk and eat but I wish I could feel it again as I don't remember it well. The forsus is pretty weird. It moves around a bunch and I can bite down on it, I actually broke one of the the brackets when eating by accident. Did you have anything?
 
@braces4ever Wow, your first treatment sounds pretty intense. I'm sure it was hell at the time but looking back it sounds pretty good! How's the forsus feel? Do you have pics to share?
 
@braces4ever Wow, your first treatment sounds pretty intense. I'm sure it was hell at the time but looking back it sounds pretty good! How's the forsus feel? Do you have pics to share?
 
I've had braces twice, currently trying to fix my bad bite and it does hurt and your gums will get stronger and your mouth should not get too cut up after a while, try getting some rinsinol packets, they can help a lot.
 
My bite blocks are too small to make much of a difference. I kind of want to make an excuse to the orthodontist to make them bigger but can't think of anything good.
 
I started out my treatment over 6 years ago when the orthodontist placed a blue bonded expander on my upper arch. (A bonded expander means it fully covers your molars). I also had a lingual holding arch that had tiny springs to push out and make room for my erupting baby teeth in my lower jaw. Those tiny springs hurt like heck and I eventually got them removed after they broke off a bunch of times. I got four brackets on my upper front teeth and they helped a lot. After about 2 years in those appliances, they were all removed and I had an upper Hawley retainer that also broke many times before I stopped using it. (I used to put it in and out with my tongue hundreds of times before it came loose. Looking back now I miss the feeling of the expander and the small lisp it gave me.
Fast forward two years after I stopped wearing the retainer, I got full braces this time to fix my bite and minor imperfections in straightening them. After two appointments, I got the FORSUS Appliance to fix my bad overbite and crossbite. They are very unnoticeable and I am able to smile, talk, and eat without them showing. In fact nobody but my doctor, family, and orthodontist know I even have them which helps in social situations. I currently have about a year of treatment left and I am glad to have at least some appliances other than just braces but I always wished I had something more.
 
You might just even need some elastics and hooks. Depending on the bite though you could need somethings else like a functional appliance (Forsus, Herbst, etc.). Talk to an orthodontist though, they will know best.
 

Braces4ever

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I started out my treatment over 6 years ago when the orthodontist placed a blue bonded expander on my upper arch. (A bonded expander means it fully covers your molars). I also had a lingual holding arch that had tiny springs to push out and make room for my erupting baby teeth in my lower jaw. Those tiny springs hurt like heck and I eventually got them removed after they broke off a bunch of times. I got four brackets on my upper front teeth and they helped a lot. After about 2 years in those appliances, they were all removed and I had an upper Hawley retainer that also broke many times before I stopped using it. (I used to put it in and out with my tongue hundreds of times before it came loose. Looking back now I miss the feeling of the expander and the small lisp it gave me.
Fast forward two years after I stopped wearing the retainer, I got full braces this time to fix my bite and minor imperfections in straightening them. After two appointments, I got the FORSUS Appliance to fix my bad overbite and crossbite. They are very unnoticeable and I am able to smile, talk, and eat without them showing. In fact nobody but my doctor, family, and orthodontist know I even have them which helps in social situations. I currently have about a year of treatment left and I am glad to have at least some appliances other than just braces but I always wished I had something more. Whatever though, feel free to comment on what you had!
 
To be honest with you 'stinkfut', talk with your wife and kids even though I dont have kids and have never been married with exception of a very long term beautiful relationship with an ex girlfriend who dealt with me having to get full metal ones for an extensive jaw surgery, but im sure she will most likely be okay with it as the kiddos most likely will and if so definately get the full metal ones. I say this because during certain moments while having them they will bug you ovcasionally but there are those other moments which make up for the prodominant time of /y'ct hr treatment where you will enjoy them VERY VERY much and these moments I am pretty sure your wife will highly enjoy whether or not you exploit your affinity you have for braces toward her or not. You wont regret getting full metal I guess is what I am saying!!!
 
So I'm late to this thread but I'm faced with this same decision.  I'm 42 and landed myself a new job with excellent health coverage that covers most of the cost of braces.

As a kid I had braces, headgear and tongue crib, and I hated it.  When it was over I didn't wear my retainers like I should have and now my teeth have slid halfway back.  Now when I bite my front four teeth touch before my molars do.  And it's continuing to push my top front teeth back forward.  My lower canines are especially pushed forward and crowded.  I have some consult appointments next week to at least get fitted for new retainers to stop more movement.  But I'm also seriously considering full braces again.  I've secretly wanted them for the longest time and couldn't afford them until now.  Like OP my concerns are social.  My wife and kids don't even know I'm thinking about braces again, I can't imagine how they will react.  And my new job requires me to speak regularly.  At first I was thinking Invisalign, or metal on the bottom and ceramic on top like OP.  Radian now that you've had them for 6 months, what are your thoughts?  Ceramic doesn't seem much different than metal.  When I see clear braces on someone I'm never fooled.  I'm leaning toward full metal, especially after reading this thread. 
 
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