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I had these changes made for retainer with brackets:
- Green color
- The thick upper plate of the palate, covering the entire palate
- Bite plane added to the upper plate. I only took the upper device.
- Headgear tube and headgear cervical + highpull

I advise you to make the changes I made, you will not regret it.

I recommend that you also have the lower brace built and add the biteplane to it.

In the upper plate I suggest you put the toungue crib.

For the color, in my opinion, have the plaques made multicolored and put these colors on each plaque: blue, orange, purple, green.

You will see that you will be comfortable with this device.

You will have a little difficulty speaking because the upper plate will be thick, there will be the biteplane and there will be the grille to stop the tongue.

Once worn, you will feel like you have a fixed brace in your mouth.

I recommend that you try to wear it 16 hours a day.

Leave the house with the appliance do not be afraid, having the brackets they will think that you have a fixed appliance.

Sometimes try wearing the headgear as well and use it outside the house for a few hours.

At the moment I haven't tried it with rubber bands yet.

I have so many sachets at home with rubber bands I should try to use them.

I found the other orthodontic appliances you saw in the photos using the vinted website where clothes and more are sold.

I asked through an announcement on the vinted forum and many people contacted me privately.

I paid between 5 euros and 10 euros for the single people who sold me their disused orthodontic appliances.
 
Thanks. Am finding the detailed updates very interesting. That really is a mouthful of thick plastic.
Its always surprising how we can learn to deal with something so intrusive.
It will be interesting to know how it is to speak without the plates when you eventually finish with them.

(One small thing, and please excuse me for saying....but it is 'ground' not 'grinded')
 
Hallo wieder einmal.

Damit mir mich langweilig wird, ist mal wieder ein Bracket abgegangen. Diesmal gleich am 1er oben links. Mein Glück hierbei war, dass dieses letztes Mal verklebt wurde, dass es nicht verrutscht ist. Passiert ist es ja eigentlich schon letzte Woche, aber der Doc war auf Urlaub. So gesehen war es Glück im Unglück.

Bis bald einmal und keep smiling with your braces
 
I just realized that I never updated you on my last appointment 7 weeks ago. As I'll have the next appointment tomorrow, I thought I'd give a quick update beforehand.

Last appointment the planned IPR was performed between my lower incisors. Due to that I wasn't in a separate room as was the case for all previous appointments. Instead, I was in the open treatment area with three chairs next to each other. Next to me was a teenager with fixed braces getting a wire change.
The ortho explained to me the stripping procedure. She said that it can be done either with a machine or by hand. For me she prefers by hand. She had two different strips of sort-of sand paper. She started with a coarse one and finished with a more finer one. It really felt weird. Even though it was exactly as I imagined having sandpaper between your teeth feels like, it still felt somewhat unexpected. I definitely didn't enjoy the feeling one bit. Luckily, it was over pretty quickly after only a few minutes. Afterwards, she applied some fluoride. She said that she took away very little and that the gaps should be barely visible. Looking in the mirror and pressing my tongue against the incisors, however, I was easily able to see tongue through the gaps. Though noone apart from me would be able to notice it.

The top plate wasn't adjusted, as she wanted to wait with that until the lower teeth have gone backwards. She did trim away some acrylic that was digging into my gums at the left wisdom tooth. Unfortunately, as a result that wisdom tooth moved inwards quite a bit in the last seven weeks, probably because there isn't anything holding it back anymore (as the plastic there was ground away). On the other side the wisdom tooth is where it was left as inward movement is prevented by the plate going back there. I'll mention it tomorrow and am interested in how that will be undone.
I asked her about the two additional springs that I noticed last time when all the springs were replaced. She said that those are maybe because the lab tech couldn't remember between which teeth the springs were exactly once they removed all the springs. They most likely decided to add them in both places where they thought they were. They won't be needed or used.
One thing that annoys me quite a lot, is that the spring between my left canine and incisor is pressing against the incisor. That resulted in both incisors on that site tilting quite a lot. The central incisor is trying to push in front of the right central incisor but is blocked by the labial bow. Thus, the right central incisor is pushed back, leaving me not able to bite properly at all. It's also extremely visible. In fact, I was asked by a colleague if the corner of my tooth broke off because it looks just like that. Additionally, that central incisor was already tilted slightly to begin with. During the initial consultation the ortho said that this kind of untilting can't be done with removable braces. I really hope that it can be fixed somehow.

On the bottom plate the ortho ground away a bit of the plastic behind my incisors, allowing them to move back and adjusted the labial bow to apply quite some pressure. Since the adjustment, those four incisors have moved back amazingly and I'm really starting to love how straight they are. There are still some very slight gaps between some of them, but they are barely noticeable even for me. I'm sure they'll be gone very quickly after the next adjustment. However, all four incisors are still pretty sensitive to pressure. When flossing, the gaps where IPR was performed feel pretty rough compared to how smooth it fells between all other teeth.
Finally, the ortho fastened the holding clasps, as the lower plate was sitting rather loosely. Unfortunately, that resulted in the space opening up between my right premolars yet again.

Once finished, she inserted my plates back in my mouth and said that she usually expects the braces to be worn at least 3-4 hours after IPR. Having had the adjustment in the morning hours, I'm pretty glad I didn't have any work meetings afterwards. Otherwise that wouldn't really have been possible.

retained said:
I have to be a little more careful to avoid excess saliva.
I definitely noticed myself spitting quite a bit more when talking since I've gotten the thick bite planes when I'm not careful with my saliva management. In general speech hasn't improved much since the last time. While my family says that they don't hear much of a difference, especially when wearing a mask, I still notice quite a difference. I can pronounce most words without much trouble intelligibly. Except for my last name. Already without braces I usually need to repeat it several times. But with braces it just feels like the worst combination of sounds ever. Spelling it out doesn't help either. And when I try to speak super clearly and think about every word (e.g. when asked to repeat something), talking becomes much harder. So being asked to repeat my last name results in even less understandable gibberish.

Embracer said:
If they had increased the acrylic coverage of your palate, they could probably have squeezed in a second expansion screw as well
Yeah, I still feel a bit bummed about that. But I'll try again for more acrylic coverage when it's time for retainers. Even if they did increase the acrylic, I wouldn't have expected a second expansion screw, since I don't expect them to ever be used. But one can always dream :)


Embracer said:
From an orthodontic perspective, your case would be managed much more easily with fixed braces, so kudos to your ortho for accepting your demand for removables. I can't imagine there has ever been a more complex set of removable braces. very impressive.
I'm also really glad that in the end I finally found an ortho willing to treat my case with removable plates. Otherwise I wouldn't have gone for any treatment at all. The plates are definitely quite complicated compared to most "normal" ones. Since years I've been thinking about what removable braces would look like for me. Most of the things I expected are actually there exactly as I thought (the modified upper labial bow, the springs to move the canines back, …). But then there are so many more springs all over the place that I would never have thought about. Definitely quite some metal in there!

Embracer said:
the amount of enamel removed is minimal and should not impact on the health of your teeth.
That's what my ortho told me and what I'm telling myself as well. But as an avid teeth grinder, I've already lost so much enamel that it just feels bad to have even more removed.

All in all some stuff is getting better while other stuff is getting worse. I really like the changes of the lower incisors and I'm sure that the upper teeth will be fixed in due time.

PS: "quick update" apparently equals over 1200 words…
 
It looks like there was a small misunderstanding. People warned me it is almost impossible to get an appointment that fast at an orthodontist. So I called the dentist to double check and it looks like they gave me an appointment with a DENTIST on the 9th of november. The first available slot for the ORTHO is 10th of MAY 2022 (!).
Is this normal? This means I have to wait for about +/- 8 months :( to see an Ortho???

So I have 2 appointments now: 9th of november 2021 and 10th of may 2022.

This will take forever.
 
I'm thinking about getting a retainer with brackets. Any suggestions or things I should think about? Have you tried them with elastics? Where do you get the appliances that you don't order for yourself?
 
Hello,

here is what I've when sending my email a picture of my impressions
SMTP error from remote server for TEXT command, host: …… reason: 554 5.7.1 This message does not meet our delivery requirements

On my email I've few pictures requested as per the order but got a mail delivery failed.
 
@carking this are other orthodontic appliances arrived this week  :)

https://nullrefer.com/?https://bit.ly/2VTNOYL

More orthodontic appliances are coming next week to add to the collection.

I would like to have an opinion on the devices that are seen in all the photos I have posted. Both these photos and the previous ones.

What do you think ?
Have you ever seen them like this?

Ask me any questions :)
 
Hello,

Thank you for your explanation. I was reading your message this morning. I promptly started searching for a dental practice doing both ortho / dentist. I found one little bit further away from my home and I called them. I explained I'm interested in a preventive check and that I have some crooked teeth I want to talk about. Afterwards I filled out an online form with some information about allergies etc... Then I ended up on a page to book an appointment. First available slot: 9th of november :(  But I decided to make the appointment. I'm already getting nervous ;-)

I'll have to wait a little bit but I think it is the best descision at this very moment.

Thanks again. Will keep you posted!

 
agu said:
I went to the dentist. I asked her what I should do with my crooked bottom teeth after she finished the check-up. She didn't seem to be very interested in my question. The only thing she answered was: "If you really find your bottom crooked teeth disturbing you will need braces. The bracket-type. BUT don't forget you will need brackets on your top teeth too".  (I have one small issue with one of my front top teeth (little periodontitis)). "So you will have to be careful with the top brackets on that tooth".

So I was little bit disappointed. This means I'll have to fix the tooth first before even thinking about braces...

As I was explaining to my wife earlier (who has braces): If you take your car to the garage, for it's annual service, but highlight a noise in the engine, then they will happily fix it. However, they are unlikely to be interested in, or even comment on the scratch in your wing, or the small dent in your door, they are purely cosmetic issues, and don't particularly affect the operation of the car, you would go to a body-shop to get the dents fixed. They may even be unaware of how a body shop would actually repair the dents and scratches.

Same with dentists: you go for a check-up, they will look at your teeth, fix any issues, and that's about it, maybe a bit of preventative stuff if you're lucky. They are not especially bothered if your teeth are crooked, that's a cosmetic thing, and that's what Orthodontists do. I would ignore your dentist's comment about "needing brackets, also on the top", an orthodontist will be able to give you MUCH better information.

If you go to a dental practice where they do BOTH state-funded checks AND privately paid work, then they are more likely to have an awareness of your crooked teeth, if only because it might provide their ortho colleagues with income too!

You do NOT need to wait until your teeth are technically perfect before seeing an orthodontist: remember that they have had dental training too, so will spot any issues your teeth may have, and will simply recommend that you get those issues fixed before you start treatment, if they are relevant to the treatment. (which happened with my wife, when she got braces)

 
I have made an appointment to check and fix the parodontitis issue on my front tooth. I don't know what to expect from it. If I even want to start a braces treatment (on my lower tooth) my dentist told me to fix the upper tooth first. I hope they can fix it. The more I look at my lower teeth the more I'm convinced I need to get it fixed with braces.
My appointment at the endodontologist(?) is first week november :( This will take a lot of time :(
 
Has anyone else used the bracesshop to get a custom made brace? I’ve had my twin blocks for a few weeks now and I have to say they are really well made. I wear them going out and about with no discomfort at all. I used to bite my nails but with the braces in I can’t do it so it’s helping me stop that too which is a bonus. I would recommend the bracesshop to any of you who have wanted a type of brace you might have been to nervous to get. It’s pretty discreet, not bad value and the only annoying bit is the wait but that’s expected. I’m really happy with my twin blocks, anyone else had anything from There?
 
I went to the dentist. I asked her what I should do with my crooked bottom teeth after she finished the checkup. She didn't seem to be very interested in my question. The only thing she answered was: "If you really find your bottom crooked teeth disturbing you will need braces. The bracket-type. BUT don't forget you will need brackets on your top teeth too".  (I have one small issue with one of my front top teeth (little periodontitis)). "So you will have to be carefull with the top brackets on that tooth".

So I was little bit dissapointed. This means I'll have to fix the tooth first before even thinking about braces...
 
Thank you Louis03M

How did you proceed for your custom retainers:
Did you contact then by email or via their contact us form?

And how long it takes for the team to usually share an answer?

Thanks
 
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