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I tried for an expander but multiple orthos were cagey. I believe most of them are cautious of pushing teeth out of the bone and pretty much think it won't work with adults without surgery. I want to avoid surgery. I think an expander will work in adults without surgery with the correct tongue position. It's been documented. My ortho said we would try regular braces first, and maybe an expander later. I think my arch will expand a little with my tongue posture (also pushing on the pallet with the tongue) with braces. It already has without (I have photo proof). So I think she may get convinced to try an expander with the braces later.

For now she is just pulling the teeth out that are collapsed inward because there is dental room in the arch. Even if only that would be achieved, it'd still look a lot better with a more comfortable mouth.

Also I doubt I will get hawley retainers. they're a bit oldskool. They tend to use vacuum formed trays now.

If you have a narrow palate, will you get an expander too?

Enjoy your braces-please post pics.

And enjoy hawley retainers afterwards!

Just had to say, I am so excited. I finally have the courage to go for real metal braces and finally do it for the first time in my life.

Originally I didn't think I could have them. That my teeth were "too straight" but actually I have a narrow pallet and crossbite so could do with braces.

I have been too nervous to go ahead for years. I've finally got the balls to go ahead and I don't care what people will think anymore.

Braces on next Thursday. This is gonna be fun!

Looking forward to seeing the progress

I had an orthodontist appointment this past Monday.

I hadn't seen as much progress as I bet the orthodontist expected from the SET wire (even though it had only been four weeks), so I brought up again to the assistant that I thought I had the wrong brackets on. I showed here photos of my braces, the example brackets they showed me last time, and when I first got my braces on so you could see the colored dots that indicate which tooth they go on. I explained that I think they are lower incisor brackets.

When the orthodontist came over, I explained that to him and showed him the photo, and he decided to remove the brackets and replace them with the correct (high-torque upper incisor) brackets right then and there. I had hoped this would be the conclusion reached, but expected to have to schedule another appointment for it to happen, so I was pleasantly surprised.

Barely noticed the brackets being popped off, but having the cement ground off was much more uncomfortable than I remember from getting my braces off as a kid.

They got the new brackets on, put on the red ligatures I chose this time, and then put in a new wire. This time I got an .018 x .0275 Damon Ultima wire (so same shape as the wire I got in August, but thicker).

It didn't take long for me to feel the new brackets and thicker wire (the assistant even recommended taking ibuprofen once I left). That evening and the follow day, my teeth were pretty sore, even when not touching those teeth. My incisors are still fairly tender.

I'm glad to have finally been believed, and to have the correct brackets on now. I'm slightly surprised my 2-year-old and 4-year-old haven't said anything about now having red (less surprised that my wife hasn't said anything; she doesn't notice details), but they never commented on me having blue for the past two months, either. I guess having the colored ligatures be entirely behind the wire makes them a lot more subtle. That might encourage me to be even more adventurous in the future.

I'll try to get a picture uploaded that I can link to some time in the next several days.

My next appointment is mid December. I'm hoping there is enough progress by then to start the Carriere (that would put me at the long end of the 4-6 months they forecasted of braces before the Carriere). I hope there wasn't too much time wasted by having the wrong brackets and my teeth moving in the wrong direction for a few weeks.

They do fit spectacularly well, particularly considering I think I had less-than-perfect impressions. These would be my first of any kind of braces, although I have wanted them for much of my life.

Sounds good.

Do they fit perfectly ?

Had you ever worn braces before ?

Yes, sorry I completely forgot.
The appliance is fantastic and leaves very little space for the tongue. Speaking is rather difficult, and eating is nigh-impossible.
I am yet to have it in for particularly long however, only having it on for at maximum about an hour. Hopefully will be trying longer (And possibly in public) soon.

Hello again!
Heute gabs die Zahnreinigung und Kontrolltermin. Der gesamte Termin dauerte ca. 45 Minuten, wobei das Schlimmste die Polierpasta war, die nach Kaugummi schmeckt.
Eine neue Doppelkette gabs auch, außerdem wurden Fotos gemacht, um den Behandlungsfortschritt zu dokumentieren.
Der nächste Termin findet in 8 Wochen statt - es hat mich auch etwas überrascht, dass das Intervall diesmal so lange ist.
Bis demnächst und alles Liebe!

I’ve been wondering this too, but I have to think that the telescope part could only affect my bite if I wear it every minute of every day for an extended period of time, just like actual prescribed appliances won’t change your bite if you don’t wear them consistently

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Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Unless you request otherwise the herbst part should be set by the shop so that it doesn't move your jaw any further than the normal resting position.

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Got it. Thanks!

Teal

There is less than a week until my next appointment now, and the SET wire has barely moved my incisors, as far as I can tell. I can feel that the left lateral incisor has tilted out a small amount, but the others I can’t even tell if they have moved.

Based on those results and the close-up pictures I’ve taken, I’m still convinced I have the wrong brackets on my incisors. I will try to do a good job explaining this to the orthodontist at my appointment. I think the only real way to fix it and get things moving how they should would be to remove and replace those brackets. If they do agree to do that, I don’t know how quickly that would happen.

My intention right now is to ask for red ligatures (for Ohio State football).

Unless you request otherwise the herbst part should be set by the shop so that it doesn't move your jaw any further than the normal resting position. And then it's no issue at al to wear it for long periods.

I’ve been wondering this too, but I have to think that the telescope part could only affect my bite if I wear it every minute of every day for an extended period of time, just like actual prescribed appliances won’t change your bite if you don’t wear them consistently

What about the Telescope part though?

If you don’t turn the screw no expansion will happen!

Hello! I'm interested in the RPE with Braces and Telescope. But before I decide I was wondering. Does anyone know if the Telescope/Herbst will have the unwanted side effect of actually changing my bite?

Ich hab leider keine Ahnung wie man hier Fotos hoch lädt.

Fotos bitte !

Hab am Dienstag (4.10.) nun meine zwei losen "Dinger" bekommen.
Der Besuch an sich war nicht sehr spektakulär. Nach einer gutej halben Stunde im Wartezimmer warten, ging es nach oben zu den Behandlungsräumen. Dort noch mal gute 5 Minuten gewartet, bis ich auf den Stuhl durfte. Nach einer weiteren Ewigkeit kam die Ärtzin und schaute sich noch einmal meine Zähne an. Dann holte sie die endlich meine Spange. Auf einem Tablett serviert wanderte sie auf den Tisch vor mir. Dann setzte mir die Ärtzin die Spange ein. Sie drückte ein wenig, sodass sie etwas abfräste. Dann passte sie. Ich sollte sie nochmal selber ein, zwei mal einsetzen, und durfte dann gehen.
Die Teile haben je eine Dehnschraube, jedoch soll ich nichts einstellen.
Nächster Termin in 6 Wochen dann.