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Looks like I will be joining the club of having braces for the second time.  Only difference so far is bite blocks are planned behind my front teeth.  The Treatment Coordinator compared it to having legos glued to the back of my teeth.  We shall see in about a month.

First time I had 6 molar bands, elastics for 22 months.  This time, no bands but they are going to bracket every tooth, starting with top only.  The bite blocks are the only thing that concerns me so far...
 
I'm absolutely sure that this will never happen.

Anyway, should it eve occur, just tell him/her that you are not an orthodontist and that you are simply doing as your dentist tells you to do.

May be he/she will consider his colleague to be very stupid... ;)


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Thanks - that’s reassured me. Just hope an orthodontist doesn’t randomly stop me in the street and ask why, as an adult, I’m wearing an Activator!  :)
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Wow!
Indeed you are on a hard choice!
All the alternatives you have selected are for an impressive brace.
It will be detected for sure from whoever you talk to while wearing the brace...

I was wondering about the same choice. At the end I chose the twin block.

Mut this is my personal opinion..
Have you made up your mind in the meantime?
 
Cassandra said:
I’ve really been enjoying how detailed you’ve been with everything you’ve shared so far.

Yeah, I wanted to give detail so that others here could better understand and/or picture what’s going on. I also initially thought I’d go to more than two consults and it would be interesting to compare the proposed treatments, but I really liked the office I chose and started to get impatient to start the process.

I also find myself being really wordy in written communication like this.  ::)

I’m curious why you went with blue? I think in one of your previous posts you said you only ever did blue before, so I think I’d be tired of blue from the get go :)

I went with blue for a couple reasons.

One, because I have had it before, it feels safe in a way, since I know I liked how blue looked on me as a kid. So I figured start with what I know before branching out.

Two, based on my past experience and photos I’ve seen online, blue tends to not have shades that look much better or much worse than others, the way some colors can (say, green or yellow), and I didn’t want to worry about choosing the wrong shade.

Three, it’s more subtle than some of the bright colors, and some people I know are still seeing my braces for the first time. I guess I don’t want too much attention on my braces, at least not yet.

I do want to make sure to try other colors this time around (almost thought of telling the assistant to make sure I don’t just ask for blue every time!). Right now, I’m thinking of getting red at my next appointment, as it’ll be the middle of college football season and I’m an Ohio State fan. The appointment after that should be mid-December, so maybe I’ll get a good green for Christmas, if they have one, but I’m not decided on that yet.

I know some people like the all-metal look of self-lighting brackets and think that getting colored ligatures on them ruins that. I actually very quickly have really liked how they look. This surprised me, because it usually takes me a while to get used to a change (it took a couple weeks with the braces for me to not think they made my front teeth look huge, and a few weeks after that to be pretty used to seeing them in the mirror). I do wonder it part of liking the look so quickly is due to almost all of the braces having the colored ligs. My ortho’s office only puts them on the top front six teeth, but I only have eight brackets so far. Once I get full braces in another 6-10 months, I may feel differently when it’s just a minority of teeth getting the color.

Something about having the ligs on them makes them look more “right” to my eye, and a little more complete somehow, while still leaving a lot of shiny metal and being subtle since they are entirely behind the wire.

I also think if it were me in your place I’d be a little nervous asking such detailed questions from the orthodontist for fear I’d be “found out,” although I guess with so much information available online perhaps many many people would know enough to ask such specific questions and it’s nothing usual.

Yeah, I have been a bit nervous of being either questioned (“How would you know that?”) or dismissed when bringing up my concern that the front brackets have the wrong torque (the ortho I had as a kid seemed confrontational the one time I asked a question that wasn’t 100% in agreement with him). However, that’s offset by me not wanting the teeth to tip inward even more, which would extend treatment and, more importantly, look terrible I think.

I have been running a voice recorder app on my phone at the consults and appointments (I live in a one-party consent state). For the consults, it was great because I didn’t have to immediately write down every answer to every question I had, and I have the recording as something I can go back to to refresh my understanding of the plan of my treatment. For the appointments, there’s a lot of background noise to it makes it harder to listen to the recording (suction sounds during getting the braces on, and the room with the exam chairs has a really high ceiling, so it echos a lot).

Listening back to what the ortho said about my new wire at my appointment, he explained that because it’s not filling the height of the bracket slot, the torquing of the front teeth that I should experience before my next appointment will be mostly just from the wire wanting to bend back to straight across; you can see in my photos that my incisors are lower than the canines/premolars/molars, so the wire dips down in the middle to go through those brackets. At my next appointment, the plan is to get a .018x.0275 wire that will fully fill the slot, and we can see how it fits to judge the torque. My ortho said if that doesn’t seem like enough torque, they’ll try a .019 “set” wire, that is pre-torqued, and that kind of wire would really move those teeth

He also said that they can get out some low torque and high torque brackets for me to see the distance, and even take photos with my “macro lens” (I had told him the photo where the bracket slot was visible was taken with a macro lens, which is close enough to the truth; it was taken with a normal lens with an extension tube to allow it to focus closer; photography is a hobby of mine). I was pleasantly surprised by that offer. I suppose, though, that it shouldn’t be surprising that a (good) orthodontist would want to nerd out about some detail like that.

My ortho taking like that to me about those details and actually telling me the wire sizes in that part of the conversation is something I appreciate so much. The ortho I had as a kid didn’t interact with patients well. After the assistant had taken off your ligs and wire, he’d come over, look at your mouth for a second, maybe ask if you’d been wearing your elastics, tell the assistant something (wire size and elastic size/configuration) in a way that was indecipherable to a young teen, and then walk off.
 
I’ve really been enjoying how detailed you’ve been with everything you’ve shared so far.  I’m curious why you went with blue? I think in one of your previous posts you said you only ever did blue before, so I think I’d be tired of blue from the get go :)

I also think if it were me in your place I’d be a little nervous asking such detailed questions from the orthodontist for fear I’d be “found out,” although I guess with so much information available online perhaps many many people would know enough to ask such specific questions and it’s nothing usual.
 
Friday afternoon I had my first appointment since getting my braces.

I had been thinking about it for a while, and I decided to ask to get colored ligatures put on. I have Damon braces, but my ortho lets patients get colored ligatures put on their six front upper teeth. They get put around the bracket under the wire, so they don't interfere with or add friction to the wire. I went with the darkest blue they had that wasn't navy blue, since I know they look lighter once their stretched onto the bracket.

Here's a photo:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/6pA3LepevV

At this appointment, they stepped me up to a rectangular wire (I peeked at the computer monitor at the chair, and it said .014 x .027, some seaching online after the appointment shows that there is a Damon Ultima archwire that is .014 x .0275; my first wire was a round .016). This is supposed to start torquing my incisors forward. The wire size is almost odd; it's so thin from the front but so thick when viewed from the top or bottom. My understanding is that it fills the entire horizontal dimension of the bracket slot.

Here is a photo where you can sort of see the thickness of the archwire:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/S181B96918

I am concerned that the brackets I have will actually tip them further in. I asked the orthodontist about it, and he said I have the correct high torque brackets. I then showed him a photo I had taken with a macro lens of one of my brackets where you can see the angle of the slot, and it matches those that would tip the teeth in from an animation on the Damon Ultima webpage.

Here's the photo I showed him:
https://www.flickr.com/gp/189082961@N04/1210kug198
And the animation (I didn't show him, since he should know this stuff) is about halfway down this page, where it talks about retrocline and procline brackets:
https://ormco.com/products/damon-ultima-system/

The photo kind of gave him a little pause, and then he looked at my brackets again and how the archwire was fitting into them (it was placed, but the doors weren't shut). He then still said I have the high-torque brackets, but admitted that my photo didn't look like it. I think he just thought the photo might be deceiving. He did say (and had the assistant note this) that at my next appointment, they can get out some extra-thick wire or something to see how it deflects when being inserted into the brackets to tell for sure.

When the assistant fully seated the wire and started closing the doors, it was a lot tighter! She even warned that it would feel tight. Starting a few hours after the appointment, my teeth started getting sore. About six hours after or so, I know teeth had moved some because my left first bicuspids were hitting first when biting down, and they didn't used to do that. This is annoying because one, I can't bite down all the way on my other teeth (or as much as I could, as my bite was already off on the right), and two, because that upper bicuspid has been one of the more sore teeth this time.

I hope the ortho is actually right about the bracket torque, because I'm excited to see those teeth start to tip forward some so I don't have to pull my lower jaw back to bite down.

My next appointment will be in mid-to-late October, and I think the ortho said I'd be getting a thicker wire again at that appointment (both at the appointment getting braces and at this one, the orthodontist has told the assistant what size wire I'll get at the next appointment; the way this played out is then at this appointment after I sat down in the chair, she got the wire and got it all ready and trimmed to size before he even came over and looked at me; at the orthodontist I had as a kid, the assistant would remove the ligatures and wires, then the ortho would come over, look at my teeth, and then tell the assistant what wire and elastics to put on for that appointment).
 
Honestly, besides any "fantasy", I think I would coose either invisalign or metal fixed braces.

Invisalign I have heard they are pretty good, and really barely noticeable.

Clear braces are less noticeable, but you can see them anyway, so they are almost useless, and lingual... well, they are probably a pain for myself, so I would not change my personal discomfort with braces in full sight. After all, why shoud I be shy?

IMHO




radian said:
I do not know how to make a poll but I simply ask the question.

You have to get a real orthodontic treatment tomorrow in your everyday life.

Honestly, considering advantage and disadvantage of all type of braces, what would you choose ?
- metal fixed braces
- clear fixed braces
- lingual braces
- Invisalign

Please, the question is not to know what would you prefer as a fantasy but in your real life, with your wife, children, family friends, colleagues, work etc.

I ask the question because I am not sure for the answer for myself (After a very long reflection, I will start an orthodontic treatment this year).

For plenty of reason (probably most of us share), I would really like fixed metal braces but despite a good amount of self confidence, I am not sure I could assume them in my everyday life, in front of my wife, my family (I have teen nieces with metal braces) and my friends. Furthermore, my job requires to speak in front of a public and everyone would see the metal braces.

That's why I would probably choose clear braces on top and metal on bottom. Lingual braces and invisalign are too expensive.

What would you do or what did you choose if you were in a similar situation ?

EDIT : I could make a poll but still very interested in your comments !
 

Aktitime

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Hallo liebe Freundin der leichten Internet-Kommunikation.

Am Freitag (19.08.22) war ich zu einem Kontrolltermin bei meinem Kieferorthopäden, wie ich ihn auch sonst ab und zu habe. Ich trage aktuell im Oberkiefer nen Klebe-Retainer und im Unterkiefer nen normalen losen Retainer.
Ich war ganz normal beim Kieferorthopäden. Die Ärztin macht Kontrolle wie immer. Dann werde ich allerdings kurz in den "Warteflur" geschickt. Ich denke mir nichts dabei. Nach guten 5 Minuten kommt sie wieder, und schickt mich zum Abdrücke machen  :-[ ich natürlich hoch begeistert (nicht) gehe ins Zimmer, und lasse mir Abdrücke machen. Danach war ich allerdings fertig. Ich solle in 2 Wochen wieder kommen. Ich bin ja mal gespannt, was jetzt passieren wird...
Bis dahin, bleibt gesund!
 
I had a retainer with a fake tooth on it (I have since gotten an implant)

This is absolutely a thing. It was pretty annoying to eat with it in but usually I did since I didn’t want to sometimes have a tooth there and sometimes not. With a back tooth I imagine it is less of an issue
 
I remember seeing (on FB) a place in Thailand - or near - that made fake braces, mainly for kids, and there were plenty of pics there of hawleys / braces (on a plate) that had false teeth (ie baby teeth gone, adult teeth not there yet))
 

retained

Platinum Member
I have asked this question before but there was no reply from anyone at the time....

My current retainers etc are out of date because I had a molar extracted some time ago.
Its not the back tooth but its the next one to it.
I have already asked the Braces shop if they can make a new retainer with a tooth on it. They say its no problem but I am just wondering if anyone else here has had a fake retainer or other appliance made which also fills a gap where a molar is missing ?

Also I wonder if its best to get the 'wrap around' style or a standard Hawley style. I have had standard hawleys till now for regular wear, plus a few other things.
 
Was supposed to have my appointment on Wednesday but they made the braces without the occlusal coverage so they had to be sent back and now my ortho is on holiday so have to wait 4 weeks until 7th September. Bit annoying but these things happen.
 
Hallo wieder einmal,
gestern hatte ich wieder einen Termin beim KFO. Auch diesmal war es wieder unspektakulär, also alles wie immer. Oberen Bogen reinigen und neue Kette von 6 auf 6.
Was mir jetzt mehr auffällt ist, dass ich auf der rechten Seite beim Eckzahn eher Kontakt habe als auf der anderen Seite. Die Lücken schließen sich recht langsam, vielleicht auch, weil jetzt die Molaren nach vorne müssen. Auf jeden Fall sieht man auch, dass OK und UK auch nicht auf derselben Ebene sind. Das wird sich wohl auch erst ändern, wenn die Molaren den halben Zahn weiter vorne sind und dann ineinander greifen, statt aufeinander zu stehen.
Der nächste Termin ist am 30.8., also in 3 Wochen.
Bis dann.

PS kleine Anekdote am Rande. In meiner Firma hat ein Kollege auch eine Mini-Spange auf die Schneidezähne bekommen - ganz in weiß gehalten. Ich werde ihn mal interviewen, wenn es dann passt.
 
Daheim, beim einkaufen,...
Bin auch schon extra mal mit dem Auto zum Bahnhof um dann mit dem Zug in eine andere Stadt zu fahren. Aber mit der Maskenpflicht im Zug sieht ja niemand die Spange und man selbst sieht auch keine anderen Spangenträger mit denen man ins Gespräch kommen kann.
 

Pfu12

Newbie
Wann tragt ihr eure Fakes?
When do you wear your fake braces?

Ich bin auf eure Antworten gespannt.
I am curious about your answers.

Bis jetzt trage ich meine nur zu Hause.
Up to now I do only wear them at home.
 
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