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The force of 200g is only indicated if the entire dental arch is fitted with brackets. Then you can extrude with 100g per side. This is already too much for a single tooth. Extrusion increases the risk of nerve damage to the affected tooth. I personally consider the headgear to be unsuitable for self-experimentation.

For all tooth movements: The longer the wearing time per day, the better. Studies show that tooth movement can occur from as little as 8 hours a day. In adulthood, it has to be a little longer because there is no more bone growth. The maximum movement of a tooth through the bone is determined by the turn-over rate of the osteoclasts and is approx. 1.8 mm per month. Higher forces generally lead to damage to the tooth roots.

Greets, Stefan

Great information! - Would you be using 200g force for how much time?

Too bad we live far away.
I would have been your perfect patient.

bracesdk said:

I appreciate your answers!

I do not think that I will do it anyway, - but I like to work with the idea of how it could work.
Is quite interesting to see which method which could potential be considers in my case.

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As an adult, the possibilities of correction a deep bite with removables are very limited.
Theoretically, a classic activator could be used, but it would have to be constantly adjusted. the wearing time would then have to be 16 hours or more per day. this could cause the posterior teeth to elongate. But there is only little chance that it would work.

bracesdk said:

Would you suggest a cervical headgear instead? How much force would you apply?
What would be the ideal wear time?

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A cervical headgear would work better. It can extrude the molars if it is inserted directly into metal bands. Use max. 200 grams of force. However, fixed braces would then also have to be inserted.
Other modern methods are, for example, appliances that are anchored to mini-pins in the bone in the upper jaw. These can extrude the posterior teeth and intrude the anterior teeth. However, this is definitely not something you should do yourself with a battery-operated screwdriver.  ;D


Greets, Stefan.

normally in your case a highpull headgear is used but only with medium force in growing jaws. I would also use midline elastics to correct the midline. And also brackets on all teeth with a specially bended bow for the lower jaw.

But ... this wont work with removeable plates and not on adults

I appreciate your answers!

I do not think that I will do it anyway, - but I like to work with the idea of how it could work.
Is quite interesting to see which method which could potential be considers in my case.

Would you suggest a cervical headgear instead? How much force would you apply?
What would be the ideal wear time?

Any other appliances that may be of potential?

All suggestions are welcome

Hi Bracesdk,

bracesdk said:

My questions is, is it possible to move my upper maxilla back, using this setup?
- Is it possible to reduce my deep bite, with a high pull headgear?

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That definitely doesn't work! A high-pull headgear will make the deep bite even worse due to its pulling direction.
The force vectors intrude the molars of the upper jaw.

bracesdk said:

- If so, how much should I wear the headgear?

Happy to hear your thoughts, experience and ideas.

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The high-pull headgear is unsuitable for your misalignment. Use it for fun, but not for medical purposes.

Greets,
Stefan

Yes, it probably is possible. But I wouldn’t do it. There is so high of a risk of doing it wrong and damaging your joints that it just won’t be worth it. This is exactly the sort of thing that ruins your life. If you want it fixed, you have to go to an orthodontist.

But again, yes, with extended wear, it is probably possible. It just isn’t smart.

Hello

I have just got and hawley retainer with brakets and a headgear. (From the braces shop)

I have an overbite of 8mm, a deep bite, and  my uppermolars is not symmetric with my lower molars - The upper molars is forward of the lowers.


My questions is, is it possible to move my upper maxilla back, using this setup?
- Is it possible to reduce my deep bite, with a high pull headgear?
- If so, how much should I wear the headgear?

Happy to hear your thoughts, experience and ideas.

Haha best of luck to you  ;D!  It's definitely an interesting feeling of being 'stuck' with them now, I had an appointment yesterday and still no mention of a de-brace date.  I've still got a couple significant gaps, so who knows maybe I'll make it into the 5-year club.

Im on my second round of braces. I didnt care for them last time but this time i want them on as long as possible. Im not even wearing the rubber bands hoping that will expend the experience.

my treatment was originally planned 18-22 months. like you I had mixed feelings when we extended (in my case, I had them off at 27 months). now I'd love to have them back on again (got them off almost 10 years ago), but really don't have a need for them again.

I'm currently 4 years, 3 months into a treatment that was originally projected for 2 years.  Granted, Covid and my ortho changing practices contributed a bit to the extended wear time but I'm still in a bit of shock that it has been this long of a process.  I haven't asked for them to be kept on, nor do I have a date yet for them to be taken off and I'm not sure how I feel about it.  On one hand, I've wanted braces since I was a kid and was always fascinated by them, but on the other hand I'm sure the people who know me must be wondering why I've had braces for so long as a 30+ adult male and the pain of eating and taking care of them doesn't really get any easier.  I feel like I am constantly switching between wanting them off as soon as possible and wanting to keep them on as long as possible.  Can anyone else on this forum relate, what was your experience like? :-\

Trage meine Spangen (Retainer bzw. Twinblock mit Headgear) gerne zu Hause, insbesondere wenn ich den ganzen Tag nicht aus dem Haus gehe.

Richtig Spass macht es natürlich, wenn man damit öffentlich unterwegs ist.

Das habe letztes Jahr bei zwei Kurzurlauben fernab der Heimat mehrmals gemacht, z.B. bei Spaziergängen, beim Einkaufen, bei einer Schlossbesichtigung usw.

Hoffentlich bietet sich bald mal wieder eine Möglichkeit... Dieses Jahr hab ich mich noch nicht so richtig getraut und es gab auch wenige Gelegenheiten... Aber, der nächste Urlaub kommt betimmt...

Interessant zu sehen, dass ich vielleicht schon viele Male an Leuten mit einer Fake vorbeigelaufen sein könnte und dachte das diese echte Klammern haben.

Klassisch wird es wahrscheinlich mit einer festen Zahnspange, Elastics und unwahrscheinlicherweise vielleicht mit Headgear behandelt.

Das erinnert mich auch sehr an eine Lingual Zahnspange....aber wie bereits schon von jem. gesagt wurde, woher kommt der Druck? Oder ist das nur so ein Retainer?

Sehr interessant. Würde mich interessieren wie es weiter geht bzw heute so aussieht...

Still looking, anyone? A nice strap for a nice girl  ;D

@Louis03M Congrats, it looks great! I have a twin block with herbst as well and it feels so good