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Ich hatte in meiner Jugend eine lange aktive Behandlung mit ausschließlich herausnehmbaren Geräten. Wird heute leider so ausführlich nicht mehr gemcht... Bis zur Lehre hatte ich immer irgendein Gerät im Mund.

Das ging lost mit Dehnplatten im OK und UK, dann ein Bionator für meinen starken Überbiss, dann später ein Twinblock und schließlich ein Paar Retainer.
 
I have had my appliance for four days now and have worn it almost 24/7. My speech at first was terrible because of the bite plate, but it is slowly improving. The expansion screw does not affect my speech at all. I estimate the bite plate to be about 5mm thick.
The appliance is beautifully designed and manufactured and I am very pleased with it. My only complaint was the glacially slow delivery after I had approved the finished appliance.
I have tried to post photos but am met with a response to the effect that the file is too big. So I will have to make do with the high quality phot I received from the shop which I have already posted.
It looks awesome. So because of the bite plate, your back teeth are not touching at any time?
 
I have had my appliance for four days now and have worn it almost 24/7. My speech at first was terrible because of the bite plate, but it is slowly improving. The expansion screw does not affect my speech at all. I estimate the bite plate to be about 5mm thick.
The appliance is beautifully designed and manufactured and I am very pleased with it. My only complaint was the glacially slow delivery after I had approved the finished appliance.
I have tried to post photos but am met with a response to the effect that the file is too big. So I will have to make do with the high quality phot I received from the shop which I have already posted.
 
Yes, I´ve been wearing a bionator and later a twinblock for many years during my active treatment. The bad experience is that the appliance is huge and you can´t talk properly at first after it fills up you mouth. The good experience is that after a few days and finally after being able to sleep with, it won´t bother you anymore and you feel comfortable wearing it also for a long time after these devices have to be worn 16 hours a day.

But nowadays in my daily life I wear two hawley expanders - I don´t want to miss them anymore :-)
 
I think you could get a tongue crib, unsure about how a bite plate would work since you wouldn’t be biting down on your front teeth anyway?
 
Has anyone else had a mono bloc? I am getting one in a few weeks and wandered if anyone had any advice or good bad experiences from it
 

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Hallo,
I think about getting this beauty from the shop later this year:
https://www.bracesshop.com/product/twin-block-with-herbst-and-lip-bumpers/

But I still have a few questions and maybe someone who already got one can answer them:
- On the pictures are expander screws and headgear tubes (on top). Are they inclusive or to I need to order them separatly?
- All plates are translucent. Is there a possibility for solid colors?
- I'd like to add a tongue crib and maybe a biteplate? Is that even possible and if so does it makes any sense?

Thanks for your answers.
 
Those elastic straps seem to be popular in some European countries. Maybe "Braces for Fun" can help get them? I bought one on eBay many years ago, but the elastic has now started to perish :-(
 
i have had them as retainers for a year, dont really find it comfortable. I really dont like anything on the inside of my teeth, find that very annoying. Also you have to take them out even for drinks (coke, coffee), or they will stain. And then if you have attachments, those will also stain.

I really found brackets more comfortable. You never have to take things out, and you can have clear ones (sahpire) that will absolutely not stain and stay clear and nice.
 
To begin with, Dr. Mew's claims make no sense for people over thirteen, because the midpalatal suture closes around that age and no plasticity remains that would respond to the pressure the tongue can place on the palate. Past that age, the only way to move the palate is with an expander anchored by TADs (temporary anchorage devices), that is, microimplants placed directly into the palate. It is not even possible to expand using molar bands, because the expansion produced would be alveolar rather than skeletal: after roughly thirteen years of age (it varies by individual, somewhere between twelve and fourteen) the suture fuses, and it cannot be reopened unless, to put it plainly, screws pass through the bones of the palate and break that fused suture.

That is the first point. The second point concerns extractions. Removing molars leaves the face looking completely flattened and detracts from a person's aesthetic appeal under any standard canon, particularly in the facial profile. This can be seen in the twin studies carried out by the elder Dr. Mew (the father), in which one twin was treated by expansion while the other went to a different orthodontist and had the molars extracted. You can clearly observe that one ends up with a very average face, bordering on unattractive, while the other is average bordering on attractive; and since they are identical twins, no other explanation is plausible.

Maxillary expansion must be anchored exclusively to the palatal bone to ensure that the expansion is purely skeletal. Procedures of this kind, particularly in adulthood, carry risks, since canting (a tilt of the occlusal plane) can occur, or other asymmetries can develop. Expansion must therefore be very controlled, strictly following the protocol.

It is also worth mentioning that in young children, below the age at which the suture fuses, the maxilla can even be expanded with removable appliances; and at those ages the pressure of the tongue on the palate does of course have an influence, because the suture has not yet closed.

In any case, it is absurd to expect that tongue posture alone could change an adult's palate by even a millimeter. At most it might act at the alveolar level, producing only a very slight change in the position of the teeth.
 
Tell us your first impression wearing your new appliance!
I haven't received it yet. The photo was sent to me by the Braces Shop for my approval of the appliance before it is despatched to me. I expect it will be a week or so before I receive it.
 
I have just received a photo of my completed appliance from the Braces Shop and am looking forward to receiving it.
 
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