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I received everything.
I wore the braces for many hours.
The plate being thick makes itself felt and is very bulky.
The mouth produces a lot of saliva. I am forced to suck saliva often.
The bite plane at the front feels and pushes against the teeth.
The feeling that if you feel it in the mouth and on the palate is fantastic, touching the plate with the tongue is very exciting.
Speaking with the braces in the mouth is very difficult mainly due to the thick plate and the bite plane.
I am now practicing reading and speaking with the devices in my mouth.
Slowly I should be able to articulate the words better.
If you do not open your mouth very wide, the devices are not immediately visible and therefore remain a little hidden.
If you open your mouth a lot and go to places where there is a lot of light, the braces can be seen more.
On both the upper and lower plates I have inserted the headgear.
On the upper plate I placed the cervical headgear and the highpull at the same time. On the lower plate I only placed the cervical headgear.
I adjusted the headgear to the strongest position.
With the headgear inserted above and below and adjusted to the strongest position you feel a lot of traction and the mouth is all caged.
It is very difficult to drink with the headgear, indeed, it is almost impossible.
When you try to drink you drop everything and you also get a lot of drool and saliva.
Eating is impossible because the biteplane covers the upper and lower anterior teeth.
I will try to use the highpull headgear by connecting it to the upper unit and the lower unit at the same time. In the next few days I will bring the headgear together with the devices in public.
It is exciting to get noticed by people, to see what expression they have when they look at you or to be stopped to know what you are wearing in your mouth.
Soon I will post the photos of the devices and the headgear.
I will also post photos of the devices worn. Stay tuned soon I will write you more of my impressions
I wore the braces for many hours.
The plate being thick makes itself felt and is very bulky.
The mouth produces a lot of saliva. I am forced to suck saliva often.
The bite plane at the front feels and pushes against the teeth.
The feeling that if you feel it in the mouth and on the palate is fantastic, touching the plate with the tongue is very exciting.
Speaking with the braces in the mouth is very difficult mainly due to the thick plate and the bite plane.
I am now practicing reading and speaking with the devices in my mouth.
Slowly I should be able to articulate the words better.
If you do not open your mouth very wide, the devices are not immediately visible and therefore remain a little hidden.
If you open your mouth a lot and go to places where there is a lot of light, the braces can be seen more.
On both the upper and lower plates I have inserted the headgear.
On the upper plate I placed the cervical headgear and the highpull at the same time. On the lower plate I only placed the cervical headgear.
I adjusted the headgear to the strongest position.
With the headgear inserted above and below and adjusted to the strongest position you feel a lot of traction and the mouth is all caged.
It is very difficult to drink with the headgear, indeed, it is almost impossible.
When you try to drink you drop everything and you also get a lot of drool and saliva.
Eating is impossible because the biteplane covers the upper and lower anterior teeth.
I will try to use the highpull headgear by connecting it to the upper unit and the lower unit at the same time. In the next few days I will bring the headgear together with the devices in public.
It is exciting to get noticed by people, to see what expression they have when they look at you or to be stopped to know what you are wearing in your mouth.
Soon I will post the photos of the devices and the headgear.
I will also post photos of the devices worn. Stay tuned soon I will write you more of my impressions
I suspect that even without labial bows your new braces will still be visible because of the brightly coloured acrylic and thick bite plate.
But people really don't notice or care. I have been wearing a hawley retainer again on a full time basis for the last 4 months because of orthodontic relapse and hardly anyone has remarked on it. The acrylic, whilst not exactly lightweight, is much less bulky than yours and transparent pink so not very obvious, however the labial bow is certainly visible.
Enjoy your new braces !
But people really don't notice or care. I have been wearing a hawley retainer again on a full time basis for the last 4 months because of orthodontic relapse and hardly anyone has remarked on it. The acrylic, whilst not exactly lightweight, is much less bulky than yours and transparent pink so not very obvious, however the labial bow is certainly visible.
Enjoy your new braces !
zahnspange
Gold Member
Hey, not bad. I have also made for me and others some braces there are also similar works.
I have chosen not to have the labial bow because I want to try wearing the braces full time and learn to live with it without anyone else noticing.
I have other braces bought from the shop all with the labial bow
This is my other braces from the shop
https://bit.ly/3LiVp7B
I have other braces bought from the shop all with the labial bow
This is my other braces from the shop
https://bit.ly/3LiVp7B
retained
Platinum Member
They look good.
I agree with most of your list of requirements. Although, for me I prefer just clear or natural pink.
I also chose not to have the labial bow for my first plates because I wanted to wear them full time and learn to live with them without anyone else noticing.
I have some with and some without now, so I can choose.
Very interested to hear your feelings once they arrive.
I agree with most of your list of requirements. Although, for me I prefer just clear or natural pink.
I also chose not to have the labial bow for my first plates because I wanted to wear them full time and learn to live with them without anyone else noticing.
I have some with and some without now, so I can choose.
Very interested to hear your feelings once they arrive.
It took some time, but after all I think the order I placed will make me very happy.
For the upper jaw I ordered a Y-Plate / 3-Way Schwarz (Upper Jaw) from the shop with these modifications:
1) Upper plate cover the entire palate
2) Upper plate much thick
3) Bite plane added to the upper plate.
4) Upper plate multicolor: blue,red,purple
5) Add design of the soccer ball to the upper plate.
6) Add Headear Tubes to the upper plate.
7) No labial bow to the upper plate.
For the lower jaw I ordered Active Plate (Schwarz) Lower Jaw with these modifications:
1) Add Headear Tubes to the lower jaw.
2) lower plate multicolor: blue and green.
3) No labial bow to the lower jaw.
This is the photo of the completed processing:
https://bit.ly/38qmhUL
The order has been shipped and will arrive in a few days.
I will wear the braces with the headgear at both the top and bottom.
I'll let you know what it's like to wear these devices, how long I can wear them, if I can talk and much more
In the meantime, you can ask me any questions
What do you think of the chosen orthodontic braces?
For the upper jaw I ordered a Y-Plate / 3-Way Schwarz (Upper Jaw) from the shop with these modifications:
1) Upper plate cover the entire palate
2) Upper plate much thick
3) Bite plane added to the upper plate.
4) Upper plate multicolor: blue,red,purple
5) Add design of the soccer ball to the upper plate.
6) Add Headear Tubes to the upper plate.
7) No labial bow to the upper plate.
For the lower jaw I ordered Active Plate (Schwarz) Lower Jaw with these modifications:
1) Add Headear Tubes to the lower jaw.
2) lower plate multicolor: blue and green.
3) No labial bow to the lower jaw.
This is the photo of the completed processing:
https://bit.ly/38qmhUL
The order has been shipped and will arrive in a few days.
I will wear the braces with the headgear at both the top and bottom.
I'll let you know what it's like to wear these devices, how long I can wear them, if I can talk and much more
In the meantime, you can ask me any questions
What do you think of the chosen orthodontic braces?
joerider
Gold Member
Hallo wieder einmal.
Ich melde mich nach meinem Kontrolltermin, der heute 10 Minuten dauerte. Es wurde der obere Bogen gereinigt und gekürzt, sowie eine neue Kette 7 bis 7 eingesetzt. Die Zahnlücke links ist ca. 2.5mm, auf der rechten Seite ca. 2.7mm groß. Es geht also voran. Die Eckzähne sind aber auch noch nicht dort, wo sie sein sollen. Es fehlt noch ein guter Millimeter nach hinten.
Der Zahnärztin ist auch aufgefallen, dass der Überbiss schon etwas kleiner geworden ist, was ich mir vor einer Woche auch dachte. Der nächste Termin ist dann wieder in 4 Wochen, mal sehen, ob nicht vorher etwas sticht.
Bis zum nächsten Mal.
Joe
Ich melde mich nach meinem Kontrolltermin, der heute 10 Minuten dauerte. Es wurde der obere Bogen gereinigt und gekürzt, sowie eine neue Kette 7 bis 7 eingesetzt. Die Zahnlücke links ist ca. 2.5mm, auf der rechten Seite ca. 2.7mm groß. Es geht also voran. Die Eckzähne sind aber auch noch nicht dort, wo sie sein sollen. Es fehlt noch ein guter Millimeter nach hinten.
Der Zahnärztin ist auch aufgefallen, dass der Überbiss schon etwas kleiner geworden ist, was ich mir vor einer Woche auch dachte. Der nächste Termin ist dann wieder in 4 Wochen, mal sehen, ob nicht vorher etwas sticht.
Bis zum nächsten Mal.
Joe
JB_Brace_Lover
Bronce Member
I am confused. Have you gone away from those removable braces to fixed ones?
Last appointment quite a lot happened. Initially the ortho said that she wants to remove the wire from the brackets, letting the molars settle by themselves. She doesn't want to remove the brackets just yet in case they'll be needed again later on.
I said that I feel like my bite is still quite a bit off on the left site. She got marking foil and inspected my bite and contact points. While the second molar uprighted well, the opposite force tilted my first molar a bit. Usually such force is distributed among all other teeth when all teeth have brackets. Due to the tilting, instead of removing the wire, she took it out, added a bend and reinserted it.
She asked how I got along with my top plate. I explained to her that I tried different wear times and finally settled on wearing it through the night for the reasons laid out in my last update. She seemed to be fine with it as an interim solution.
Next came the expected discussion about retainers. After stating my point of view I got the feeling that she hopes that I won't need removable retainers with the fixed retainers considering all the complications I had with my removable braces. When I mentioned that I'll need a bruxism guard anyway, she mentioned a possible compromise of having a fixed retainer in the bottom where people have less problems with it and the bruxism guard in the top jaw. However, so far in my bottom jar during treatment spaces developed between my canines and first premolars, and the first premolars and second premolars. Even if the permanent retainer would include all four premolars (which would be pretty extreme), there's no guarantee that no space between my premolars and molars would open up. I don't think the retainer discussion is finished yet…
Then came the lower plate. As discussed during the previous appointment, we are sticking to the plan of finishing up the bite, then the lower teeth and finally the upper ones. While the bite isn't fully fixed yet, we're getting close enough to start with the lower incisors and canines again. The ortho inserted the lower plate and checked how it fit. Surprisingly the triangle holding clasps didn't interfere with the brackets and wire at all. They fit perfectly in between. But I felt pressure everywhere. She decided to cut away everything going back further than the first molars on both sides. The wisdom teeth derotation springs aren't needed anymore and she feared that the holding clasps between my molars might wreck more havoc than they're worth at this point. After spending quite some time bending the holding clasps, letting me check, and bending again, the lower plate fit well enough. We tried minimizing the pressure from the holding clasps.
To move the canines distally, she applied inwards pressure with the labial bow. She explained that usually it also moves them distally if there's space. If that doesn't work in my case, the plate will need to be modified to add springs similar to the ones in my top plate to move the canines backwards.
I asked how long I should wear the lower plate. Her response was to wear them as long as possible without my bite becoming worse again. Similar to what I did with my top plate I need to figure out how long I can wear it and when I should keep it out to let my bite go back to normal. But 12 hours are needed at minimum to properly move the other teeth. In addition I should continue wearing the top plate as long as needed to keep the lower canine and top lateral incisor from interfering with each other.
And with that, I now have top and bottom removable braces and bottom brackets (albeit "only" 3) all at the same time. Probably a dream treatment for many here.
Already on the day after my appointment the gap between my lower canines and premolars was closed. With the lower left canine back, it stopped interfering with my upper incisor. While having all the braces and plates at the same time is quite an experience, I quickly stopped wearing the upper plate. It isn't necessary for its current purpose anymore but still changes my bite quite a bit.
The lower plate isn't perfect and has similar problems, but not nearly as strongly as the upper brace. When I take out the lower brace, it takes about an hour for my top and bottom premolars to fit together again. I'm wearing it for about 16 hours each day. The 8 hours off seem to be enough to keep the bite stable.
Interestingly, the small gap that reopened behind my upper left canine has closed completely.
Not having an anterior bite plate or posterior bite plane, my joints are aching a bit in the morning as I'm primarily biting down on the holding clasp wires when clenching / grinding. Also every morning I have pretty deep imprints in my cheeks from the brackets.
It's interesting how the mouth adapts to talking with braces. Some months ago when I had the long bottom plate and the thick upper bite plate, after a few weeks I was able to talk with them without too much of a noticeable lisp (although I feel like there'll always be a rest-lisp with a bite-plate). Not having any plate in my mouth for a few weeks completely reset everything that I'd learned about talking with them in. After getting back the top plate two appointments ago I was struggling to pronounce everything correctly again, even though the bite plate was shaved down significantly which should have helped significantly. But again, after a week or so I was able to talk with them in okayly. Now with just the bottom brace I've adapted to speak pretty much perfectly, so much so that even some family doesn't notice. But putting it the top plate again, I can barely be understood. Apparently it only takes few weeks to learn and unlearn everything.
My next appointment will be on Tuesday.
I said that I feel like my bite is still quite a bit off on the left site. She got marking foil and inspected my bite and contact points. While the second molar uprighted well, the opposite force tilted my first molar a bit. Usually such force is distributed among all other teeth when all teeth have brackets. Due to the tilting, instead of removing the wire, she took it out, added a bend and reinserted it.
She asked how I got along with my top plate. I explained to her that I tried different wear times and finally settled on wearing it through the night for the reasons laid out in my last update. She seemed to be fine with it as an interim solution.
Next came the expected discussion about retainers. After stating my point of view I got the feeling that she hopes that I won't need removable retainers with the fixed retainers considering all the complications I had with my removable braces. When I mentioned that I'll need a bruxism guard anyway, she mentioned a possible compromise of having a fixed retainer in the bottom where people have less problems with it and the bruxism guard in the top jaw. However, so far in my bottom jar during treatment spaces developed between my canines and first premolars, and the first premolars and second premolars. Even if the permanent retainer would include all four premolars (which would be pretty extreme), there's no guarantee that no space between my premolars and molars would open up. I don't think the retainer discussion is finished yet…
Then came the lower plate. As discussed during the previous appointment, we are sticking to the plan of finishing up the bite, then the lower teeth and finally the upper ones. While the bite isn't fully fixed yet, we're getting close enough to start with the lower incisors and canines again. The ortho inserted the lower plate and checked how it fit. Surprisingly the triangle holding clasps didn't interfere with the brackets and wire at all. They fit perfectly in between. But I felt pressure everywhere. She decided to cut away everything going back further than the first molars on both sides. The wisdom teeth derotation springs aren't needed anymore and she feared that the holding clasps between my molars might wreck more havoc than they're worth at this point. After spending quite some time bending the holding clasps, letting me check, and bending again, the lower plate fit well enough. We tried minimizing the pressure from the holding clasps.
To move the canines distally, she applied inwards pressure with the labial bow. She explained that usually it also moves them distally if there's space. If that doesn't work in my case, the plate will need to be modified to add springs similar to the ones in my top plate to move the canines backwards.
I asked how long I should wear the lower plate. Her response was to wear them as long as possible without my bite becoming worse again. Similar to what I did with my top plate I need to figure out how long I can wear it and when I should keep it out to let my bite go back to normal. But 12 hours are needed at minimum to properly move the other teeth. In addition I should continue wearing the top plate as long as needed to keep the lower canine and top lateral incisor from interfering with each other.
And with that, I now have top and bottom removable braces and bottom brackets (albeit "only" 3) all at the same time. Probably a dream treatment for many here.
Already on the day after my appointment the gap between my lower canines and premolars was closed. With the lower left canine back, it stopped interfering with my upper incisor. While having all the braces and plates at the same time is quite an experience, I quickly stopped wearing the upper plate. It isn't necessary for its current purpose anymore but still changes my bite quite a bit.
The lower plate isn't perfect and has similar problems, but not nearly as strongly as the upper brace. When I take out the lower brace, it takes about an hour for my top and bottom premolars to fit together again. I'm wearing it for about 16 hours each day. The 8 hours off seem to be enough to keep the bite stable.
Interestingly, the small gap that reopened behind my upper left canine has closed completely.
Not having an anterior bite plate or posterior bite plane, my joints are aching a bit in the morning as I'm primarily biting down on the holding clasp wires when clenching / grinding. Also every morning I have pretty deep imprints in my cheeks from the brackets.
It's interesting how the mouth adapts to talking with braces. Some months ago when I had the long bottom plate and the thick upper bite plate, after a few weeks I was able to talk with them without too much of a noticeable lisp (although I feel like there'll always be a rest-lisp with a bite-plate). Not having any plate in my mouth for a few weeks completely reset everything that I'd learned about talking with them in. After getting back the top plate two appointments ago I was struggling to pronounce everything correctly again, even though the bite plate was shaved down significantly which should have helped significantly. But again, after a week or so I was able to talk with them in okayly. Now with just the bottom brace I've adapted to speak pretty much perfectly, so much so that even some family doesn't notice. But putting it the top plate again, I can barely be understood. Apparently it only takes few weeks to learn and unlearn everything.
My next appointment will be on Tuesday.
That's interesting. What do you like about them? Don't they just interfere with everything? For example doesn't flossing take ages?bdave said:
New here. Just ordered this as well!
Never had braces or an appliance before, but I prefer the idea of metal to plastic, so this immediately caught my eye.
After enquiring over email, I opted to get HG tubes on the upper 6's, and the Herbst is being moved back to the upper 7's to accommodate them.
I suspect that it might be a little too uncomfortable to add the face bow anytime soon - but at least I have the option. I definitely plan to eat well beforehand!
I also asked if they can leave the occlusal surfaces completely covered with the cast silver (unlike with the holes/gaps shown in the photos). Shop support said they are covered as standard, so fingers crossed for that.
I'm a mixed bag of emotions. Nervous about fitting, and pain, but also very excited!
Never had braces or an appliance before, but I prefer the idea of metal to plastic, so this immediately caught my eye.
After enquiring over email, I opted to get HG tubes on the upper 6's, and the Herbst is being moved back to the upper 7's to accommodate them.
I suspect that it might be a little too uncomfortable to add the face bow anytime soon - but at least I have the option. I definitely plan to eat well beforehand!
I also asked if they can leave the occlusal surfaces completely covered with the cast silver (unlike with the holes/gaps shown in the photos). Shop support said they are covered as standard, so fingers crossed for that.
I'm a mixed bag of emotions. Nervous about fitting, and pain, but also very excited!
joerider
Gold Member
Also du hast schon Recht, wenn man sich selbst oft sieht, merkt man weniger. Ich schaue jedoch auf die beiden Lücken an bzw. muss der Eckzahn ca. 2 mm nach hinten wandern. Da sehe ich kaum Unterschiede.
Anfangs waren die Termine immer alle 8 Wochen, derzeit ist es alle 4 Wochen. Warum die Ärztin letztes Mal 3 Wochen gesagt hat, ist mir auch nicht klar. Durch die Elastics soll ja jetzt viel zurückgeschoben werden, weswegen wohl der Draht schneller hinten vorsteht. Wahrscheinlich hat sie den Termin diesmal so gelegt, damit ich nicht nach 3 Wochen extra zum Kürzen kommen muss und gleich eine neue Kette gemacht wird.
Was die Wartezeit betrifft: Diesmal war es recht lange. Normalerweise warte ich max. 5 Minuten. Die sind gut organisiert. Diesmal waren wohl ein paar Reparaturen bei anderen Patienten notwendig.
Klar halte ich euch auf dem Laufenden. Ich hoffe halt, dass die Lücken bald verschwinden, dann werde ich wieder ein neues Foto machen. So wie es jetzt aussieht, gefällt mir das gar nicht.
Bis bald,
Joe
Anfangs waren die Termine immer alle 8 Wochen, derzeit ist es alle 4 Wochen. Warum die Ärztin letztes Mal 3 Wochen gesagt hat, ist mir auch nicht klar. Durch die Elastics soll ja jetzt viel zurückgeschoben werden, weswegen wohl der Draht schneller hinten vorsteht. Wahrscheinlich hat sie den Termin diesmal so gelegt, damit ich nicht nach 3 Wochen extra zum Kürzen kommen muss und gleich eine neue Kette gemacht wird.
Was die Wartezeit betrifft: Diesmal war es recht lange. Normalerweise warte ich max. 5 Minuten. Die sind gut organisiert. Diesmal waren wohl ein paar Reparaturen bei anderen Patienten notwendig.
Klar halte ich euch auf dem Laufenden. Ich hoffe halt, dass die Lücken bald verschwinden, dann werde ich wieder ein neues Foto machen. So wie es jetzt aussieht, gefällt mir das gar nicht.
Bis bald,
Joe
silver-moon-2000
Platinum Member
joerider said:
Wenn man sich mehrmals täglich im SPiegel anschaut, oder alle paar Minuten mit der Zunge über die Zähne fährt, dann ist klar, dass es einem so vorkommt, als würde sich nichts tun; schließlich sind die Änderungen zwischen diesen Intervallen sehr gering.
Dass der Bogen allerdings übersteht ist, wie Du schon selber gesagt hast, ein Zeichen, dass ich - über Wochen hinweg - eben doch einiges tut.
Und abhängig davon, wie aufmerksam Deine Umelt ist, könnten die Dir auch bestätigen, dass sich in der Tat mehr verändert, als Du denken magst.
Also nur Mut, das wird schon ;D
Was mich aber wundert ist, dass Du alle 3-4 Wochen zum Onkel Doktor antanzen sollst. Bei mir waren die Termine, wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, mehr im 6 Wochen Turnus.joerider said:
So kurz ging es bei mir nie, die Wartezeit war allein schon selten unter 20 Minuten. Was auch daran liegen mag, dass mir der Gedanke, zu spät zu kommen, extrem unangenehm ist. ;Djoerider said:
Halte uns weiter auf dem Laufenden, ich lese gespannt mit!
joerider
Gold Member
Hallo wieder einmal!
Vorgestern war es wieder so weit. Ich hatte einen Kontrolltermin beim KFO. Die Dauer diesmal: ca. 20 Minuten, davon die Hälfte Wartezeit. Diesmal war das Wartezimmer recht gut gefüllt.
Diesmal wurde der Bogen im OK entnommen und gereinigt, sowie die Kette von 7 auf 7 erneuert. Weiters wurden die überstehenden Drähte oben gekürzt.
Derzeit kommt mir vor, es tut sich gar nichts, der länger werdende Draht hingegen sagt etwas anderes.
Der nächste Termin ist in 3 Wochen.
Tschüss und bis zum nächsten Mal
Vorgestern war es wieder so weit. Ich hatte einen Kontrolltermin beim KFO. Die Dauer diesmal: ca. 20 Minuten, davon die Hälfte Wartezeit. Diesmal war das Wartezimmer recht gut gefüllt.
Diesmal wurde der Bogen im OK entnommen und gereinigt, sowie die Kette von 7 auf 7 erneuert. Weiters wurden die überstehenden Drähte oben gekürzt.
Derzeit kommt mir vor, es tut sich gar nichts, der länger werdende Draht hingegen sagt etwas anderes.
Der nächste Termin ist in 3 Wochen.
Tschüss und bis zum nächsten Mal
