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Offline Velteau

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Dream Treatment
« on: 27. March 2020, 00:33:06 AM »
So, I've always fantasised about this topic but never really had anyone to share it with, until I came across this forum. I'm a big braces aficionado, but I'm ambivalent about whether I would like to undergo the treatments I dream about. On the one hand, it would be a unique experience that I've always desired, but on the other, I'd have to live through a torturous, humiliating ordeal of my own design. Still, if I were given the opportunity to plan out a treatment for myself, I reckon I'd do it.

For me it would have to be gradual, slowly building up for years but never turning back. First just braces, pure and simple, with maybe a couple of elastics. But then would come powerchains, increasingly more elastics, and maybe even lingual braces to complement the regular ones. Then it'd all be replaced by fullband brackets, the elastics would turn to fixed springs, and finally a facebow would be installed and wired in. After some time, there would come a second facebow for the lower jaw, also wired in. After that it takes some creativity to fit anything else in, but you could imagine a cemented, full-metal twin-block retainer, and maybe even a third and fourth sets of headgear — perhaps fixed J-hooks in addition to the regular facebows. The more the merrier.

So, I turn the question to you all: what would your dream orthodontic treatment be like? Would you like it all installed straight away, or are you like me and would prefer to pace the process to feel and get used to every change before the next one? How outlandish would your appliances be? I want to know how other minds that think like mine would approach this delicious fantasy.
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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #1 on: 27. March 2020, 02:36:23 AM »

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #2 on: 27. March 2020, 03:06:24 AM »
The simple way to get molds is to get a teeth grinding guard from the dentist.  When they deliver it, ask them how long they keep the molds.  If they say it is not for ever, ask if they mind if you keep them yourself for your own records.  The only issue that if you don't have health insurance to cover the teeth grinding guard, then it may cost more than the retainer that you eventually send away for.  Possibly you could tell the dentist that you can't afford one through him/her, but if you could get molds, then you could get one cheap over the Internet and that it would be better than nothing.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #3 on: 27. March 2020, 03:09:47 AM »
Should I tell him that I do have some very old impression from when I was much younger and could I ask to have new impressions so that I can see how my mouth has changed?   I would bring the old impressions along with me.   Would that work?  Can they be made out of something more durable than plaster?  Like metal or acrylic?  I would hate to have them get broken or chipped if I shipped them to the braces shop in the long future when ordering a new huge retainer. 

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #4 on: 27. March 2020, 12:55:47 PM »
I actually did that.  I compared molds from two points in my life after changing dentists and he seemed impressed that I had kept them to do that.   You are right that they are quite fragile and you have to package them in lots of really supportive packing material like bubble wrap.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #5 on: 27. March 2020, 15:29:15 PM »
I will be showing my old impressions to the same dentist that I have been going to my whole life.   That should still work for hopefully getting new impressions?

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #6 on: 27. March 2020, 17:09:24 PM »
@velteau My dream treatment would start with a removable appliance like a twin block or activator/bionator, followed by an expander. I would then get full braces with a herbst appliance. Combo headgear would be added in at some point, as well as various elastics and power chains. Once completed, I would get hawley retainers.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #7 on: 27. March 2020, 17:23:26 PM »
@velteau My dream treatment would start with a removable appliance like a twin block or activator/bionator, followed by an expander. I would then get full braces with a herbst appliance. Combo headgear would be added in at some point, as well as various elastics and power chains. Once completed, I would get hawley retainers.

I love the idea of having Herbsts, especially if they prevent sideways jaw motion. How long would your treatment take?
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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #8 on: 27. March 2020, 17:30:25 PM »
I'm thinking around two years total

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« Reply #9 on: 27. March 2020, 17:56:56 PM »
I'm thinking around two years total

That sounds nice. I'm personally more into freakish treatments, so for me it'd have to be at least 6-8 years.
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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #10 on: 30. March 2020, 17:30:24 PM »
That would be intense!

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #11 on: 30. March 2020, 21:51:10 PM »
I'm happy with the full braces I'm wearing right now.
But if we're talking fantasy treatment I wouldn't mind something more extreme, at least in theory!

To start out with I'd love a pendulum or distal jet with just lower braces. Something that covers the whole palate with plastic and ideally 4 molar bands. So that the only sign of the treatment would be the lower braces and shiny molar bands on the upper premolars flashing through. And the lisp of course.

Then after 6 months I'd have the pendulum removed and an upper expander with a fixed tongue crib put in, along with braces on the top and rubber bands to bring my lower jaw forward. I'd have to turn the expander for a month, and while it could be removed after 6 months of retention, it'll stay in for the whole treatment to fix a tongue thrust. The crib would definitely produce an obvious lisp that will never fully go away.

A few months later I'd get a headgear because the rubber bands weren't working. Which I'd have to wear at least 14h a day. A bottom expander would follow to widen the lower jaw. After expanding the bottom jaw all the appliances would stay in for another 1,5 years until I'd have everything removed and get Halwey retainers.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #12 on: 31. March 2020, 01:14:49 AM »
I'm happy with the full braces I'm wearing right now.
But if we're talking fantasy treatment I wouldn't mind something more extreme, at least in theory!

To start out with I'd love a pendulum or distal jet with just lower braces. Something that covers the whole palate with plastic and ideally 4 molar bands. So that the only sign of the treatment would be the lower braces and shiny molar bands on the upper premolars flashing through. And the lisp of course.

Then after 6 months I'd have the pendulum removed and an upper expander with a fixed tongue crib put in, along with braces on the top and rubber bands to bring my lower jaw forward. I'd have to turn the expander for a month, and while it could be removed after 6 months of retention, it'll stay in for the whole treatment to fix a tongue thrust. The crib would definitely produce an obvious lisp that will never fully go away.

A few months later I'd get a headgear because the rubber bands weren't working. Which I'd have to wear at least 14h a day. A bottom expander would follow to widen the lower jaw. After expanding the bottom jaw all the appliances would stay in for another 1,5 years until I'd have everything removed and get Halwey retainers.

I love how grounded that treatment is — it involves a variety of rare appliances but at the same time is plausible enough that it could really be implemented. Fantastical as it may be, I can see some poor sod somewhere in the world having had to go through something similar at some point.
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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #13 on: 02. April 2020, 01:34:27 AM »
I've never hidden that fact that for me, it has to be braces on others, rather than on me, and the same is true here.

The key thing would be a degree of normality, but with something special always in the background. Start with an upper expander and tongue crib, then upper full bands and lower brackets. Over the first 18 months or so, things would build up slowly: first a lower expander, then headgear at nights, then a Herbst appliance, then the lower teeth banded, then a complex elastics pattern (maybe with some hooks on the inside of the teeth?) and finally the headgear upped to a wear pattern that essentially allowed 8 hours off each day for school/college/uni/work, but had to be worn the rest of the time, including 23/5 hours a day at the weekends, to make the grade.

It would then plateau, with 2-3 years of this "max" level, the only real change being to wires and elastic patterns. The uptick would then be reversed, with the appliances slowly being removed until the patient was back to just plain brackets on both jaws, with elastics. Once I was satisfied everything was as it should be, there would be a long period of controlled retention: first sticking with the brackets for a year, then a year in full-time Hawley retainers, then 5 yeas of annual check-ups, with an automatic return-to-braces clause to be invoked at any time if I thought teeth were moving or retainers not being worn.

Even with a 2 year 'plateau' the patient would be looking at around 144 months of treatment from sign on to final release (even though 60 months of that would be the five-year retention period). Imagine starting at 18 - you'd be at least 30 before you could finally walk out and never come back!

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #14 on: 02. April 2020, 20:12:50 PM »
I've never hidden that fact that for me, it has to be braces on others, rather than on me, and the same is true here.

The key thing would be a degree of normality, but with something special always in the background. Start with an upper expander and tongue crib, then upper full bands and lower brackets. Over the first 18 months or so, things would build up slowly: first a lower expander, then headgear at nights, then a Herbst appliance, then the lower teeth banded, then a complex elastics pattern (maybe with some hooks on the inside of the teeth?) and finally the headgear upped to a wear pattern that essentially allowed 8 hours off each day for school/college/uni/work, but had to be worn the rest of the time, including 23/5 hours a day at the weekends, to make the grade.

It would then plateau, with 2-3 years of this "max" level, the only real change being to wires and elastic patterns. The uptick would then be reversed, with the appliances slowly being removed until the patient was back to just plain brackets on both jaws, with elastics. Once I was satisfied everything was as it should be, there would be a long period of controlled retention: first sticking with the brackets for a year, then a year in full-time Hawley retainers, then 5 yeas of annual check-ups, with an automatic return-to-braces clause to be invoked at any time if I thought teeth were moving or retainers not being worn.

Even with a 2 year 'plateau' the patient would be looking at around 144 months of treatment from sign on to final release (even though 60 months of that would be the five-year retention period). Imagine starting at 18 - you'd be at least 30 before you could finally walk out and never come back!

That's my kind of treatment — slow, long and gradual. A 12-year process, even if not intense throughout, is still hellishly long. Just the thought of having braces for 5 years, as you suggest, is already enough to scare most people off, and that's not even mentioning additional appliances, elastics, etc.
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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #15 on: 21. April 2020, 08:37:37 AM »
I’d have to say,
The orthodontist would be a reassuring lady that manages to hide a bunch of fine print into the contract.  I walk in thinking I’m getting just plain brackets.  But, she puts in upper and lower expanders (the ones with acrylic), TWO tongue cribs (so I can’t bypass when my mouth is open), big metal brackets with lots of loops and springs, a Herbst appliance, and lip bumpers.  There would be an insanely long treatment time of 10 years.  Of course, none of this would be removable.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #16 on: 24. May 2020, 06:11:50 AM »
If we're talking dream scenarios, I say throw caution to the wind and get creative!  ;D

Start out with old style full metal bands on EVERY tooth. Much less comfortable, much more noticeable. Because of these metal bands, a lot more time will have to be devoted to just keeping your braces clean, so they're also more impractical. Next, each and every bracket has an elastic hook on it, so it's sure to irritate your cheeks and lips, making them puff out and exposing your shiny metal mouth for the world to see! Of course, the archwire has to be as weak as can be. This way, your treatment time is as long as possible, leaving plenty of time for you to enjoy a full assortment of appliances!
First, your expanders in both jaws, turned once every two weeks, to really drag out the time it'll take to widen those arches so they stay in as long as possible, all the while getting food stuck in them making cleaning even more of a nightmare!
 Along with these are a lovely set of tongue spurs on each arch, made wide enough to clang into each other, making fully closing your mouth impossible unless you want your tongue to get shredded.
Now that you're rocking a painfully obvious lisp, let's saddle you up with a special kind of double headgear, a facebow for each jaw! Topped off with a nice set of Neon Green and Hot Pink headgear straps, just so there's no chance of hiding it.
With an ungodly mess of florescent colored elastics in 24/7, finally we wrap up with a bulky set of Neon Green Lip Bumpers for each jaw, just to make sure there isn't any chance of hiding that beautiful work of metallic art! You might as well smile, cause with your treatment time, you'll have all of this in for a solid 10 years! Lucky you  ;D
10 years ain't enough? Well don't worry, by the time you reach that milestone you'll be so used to your metal mouth, you wont want to have any of it taken out! But don't worry, we'll wrap it up with a set of permanent retainers, cemented into you mouth and connected by a set of piston arms on each side just to keep things interesting for you. Can't have a mouth that's too easy to clean! Enjoy  ;)

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #17 on: 28. May 2020, 03:08:56 AM »
I would definitely want something simple like plain metal brackets but with some "extras" along the way like cervical HG and possibly an expander.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #18 on: 28. May 2020, 10:49:04 AM »
Any of the below appliances:
-Activator
-Modified Stretching Plate
-Retainer with Herbst attachments(telescoping tubes)
-Modified Twin block
-Bite jumping Appliance
-Braces with expander, headgear, elastics,  springs and herbst.
-Molar bands
-Multiple appliances at once

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #19 on: 18. June 2020, 09:46:46 AM »
More of a scenario than a specific treatment:

The orthodontist is an attractive, dominant woman who starts me off with simple fixed metal braces. She doesn't give me much information on the future of my treatment, but with every appointment I find myself wearing some new device. Years go by and she's tried just about every device you could think of on me, and I've grown accustomed to walking around with some form of fixed headgear. She starts making comments about how pretty I look in braces, and how much she loves tinkering with my mouth, and I begin to suspect I never quite needed them in the first place, but at this point it's too late for me to do anything.  ;D

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« Reply #20 on: 21. June 2020, 18:20:38 PM »
My dream treatment is the treatment that I’m doing right now. So to start out I had a massive overjet and I had teeth that were not in the right place. So I started out with top braces for about 2 months then i moved to top and bottom. Then after that for 3 months the headgears started. At first I wore a cervical headgear 12 hours a day and that was for 6 months. That didn’t provide good enough results even though I did comply. So I had a combination headgear wired in with 4 elastics on each side of the mouth also for 24 hours a day. I have been doing that for about a year and a half and my ortho has said that this will continue for about 6 more months and then after this elastics will be removed and headgear will be reduced to 20 hours for another year and then after that just braces for about 3 more months. Then after that retainers will be installed permanently. Edit: forgot to mention the braces also have had metal bands on them from the start and that I started this treatment at age 16.

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« Reply #21 on: 21. June 2020, 18:24:16 PM »
If I had to add anything to a dream treatment it would be a top and bottom headgear so I have a facebow in the bottom jaw.

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« Reply #22 on: 21. June 2020, 19:23:06 PM »
If anyone would like more info then just pm me.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #23 on: 13. July 2020, 19:17:40 PM »
I had braces already, but thinking of getting a retainer for fun. maybe for my girl also. any recommendations?

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #24 on: 14. July 2020, 17:13:31 PM »
I had braces already, but thinking of getting a retainer for fun. maybe for my girl also. any recommendations?

If you are looking for 'fun' braces, you could look at the braces shop (I have yet to place an order but heard good things). Alternatively you could go in for a consultation and see if there's any room for improvement  ;D

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« Reply #25 on: 17. July 2020, 11:51:07 AM »
If you are looking for 'fun' braces, you could look at the braces shop (I have yet to place an order but heard good things). Alternatively you could go in for a consultation and see if there's any room for improvement  ;D

thank you! I will consider it and maybe give it a try

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« Reply #26 on: 21. July 2020, 15:08:03 PM »
Heres my general preferences:

I'd want braces, just regular ones to start out with, but as time goes on, more and more appliances get added. Expanders, cemented twin blocks, a herbst, tongue crib, bite plate and/or a face bow(s). My personal favourite is definitely a cemented twin block, but problems arise as things like bite plates dont work with them.

So either I'd go for overall:
Braces that have Double expanders with cemented twin blocks, a tongue crib, forsus/herbst and headgear

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Braces with double expanders, a bite plate, headgear and a herbst

As for removable appliances, definitely a van beek is up there.

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Re: Dream Treatment
« Reply #27 on: 25. July 2020, 17:36:29 PM »
Actually, just found out about an EVAA appliance, which is a fixed activator. That's definitely something I'd want.