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English => General => Topic started by: tingrin on 22. March 2010, 09:04:26 AM
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Ok, this is more of a creative exercise, what is your true fantasy braces?
Don't worry about what you currently need, (or not). It's ok to combine appliances/treatments that would not be practical in the real world. Use as much detail as you like, and also think about pre/post treatment. Feel free to modify and/or update posts as needed. How would such a treatment affect your quality of life? If cost and/or health was not an object would you really do a possibly extreme treatment?
Have fun!
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My ideal (so far):
pre-treatment would be a brief discussion of- a traditional approach is best, be patient and cooperative and the results will be maximized
full size edgewise brackets bonded to the front teeth and canines
bands used on the bicuspids and molars, including the second molars
headgear begun at the second month- traditional elastic strap, no nugear type, wear should be at least 14 hours/day
long finishing/tuning stage, need to allow for the roots to establish themselves
I realize that this is not a very aggressive plan, but I wanted to get the general idea set for future posts. Have fun and lets hear what you have to say!
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Well, I don't know much about fixed braces, so I don't really know the terminology, but something along these lines.
Fixed braces
Cervical headgear
Bite plates
I'd also like to get my teeth into an activator or bionator at some point. I love the idea of all that plastic.
I guess my retainer will have to do for now *sigh*
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My dream orthodontic treatment:
First off pre-treatment, the orthodontist should be a strict woman who is not that keen on sharing information and does not like to talk and discuss the options with me. On the first appoitment she looks at my mouth and immidiatly sees treatment is needed, and goes on with making impressions, x-rays and photos. Then on the second appoitment the orthodontist immidiatly pulls out an activator like this one: https://dereferer.me/?https://dereferer.me/?http://www.ortho-ede.nl/activator.jpg required wear time should be around 14 hours a day. Then after month or two months the wear time is increased to all the time except for situations in which wearing it would either be completly unpractical or even dangerous like sports or eating. Then after a year orso, out of the blue impressions have to be made again the ortho does not take the time to tell for what they are but the next appoitment that is pretty clear. Because the next appoitment she pulls out this activator https://dereferer.me/?https://dereferer.me/?http://www.ortholab.nl/images/producten/vanbeekappliance1-g.jpg complete with a high pull headgear this one i will wear for another year the same amount of time as the normal activator. Then i get started on fixed braces, first off just regular iron fixed braces soon followed by an cervical headgear for 14hrs a day.
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@ John Doe 21
Now those appliances looks like fun!
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brackets, bands, lipbumpers, a double interlandi headgear which for a while i would like to have 24/7 and upper and lower expanders
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I like John Doe's pre treatment sketch, and, after having gone through the preparations I would like to be "suprised" with a traditional cervical headgear to be worn 24/7, except for showers, brushing, eating etc. Then, after having worn that for a month, she would add a high pull strap in order to make it a combination headgear, with abour 16-18 hours a day with the high pull. After having worn the headgear for about six months, she would fix clear braces with strong cross elastics, and "only" 16 hours headgear wear for a year. Then perhaps a herbst appliance for another year or so. I would also like to fit in a facemask, but I'm not sure where...
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Great postings so far, keep them coming!
I like the idea of "surprise" treatments that members have suggested as well as taciturn orthodontists.
How about an initial consult with a 'friendly' orthodontist who recommends something mild, (clear brackets, invisalign, etc.). The payment/contract would be secured, pretreatment performed, (impressions, x-rays, spacers, etc), and the next appointment made.
The following appointment would be with a different orthodontist :o who would then fit highly visible, bulky appliances, (metal braces, headgear, activator, etc.). If you protest to the 'new' treatment, you would simply be shown the contract you had previously agreed to, (cleverly written in such a way that you have to accept your treatment).
With all this extra hardware, how much would your social life be affected? Think about the reactions from friends, family, co-workers, teammates, etc. Would it be more interesting to have this occur before a major event, such as a reunion?
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Hey, TinGrin...
You'll find many of my thoughts for treatment pop up in my stories.... now you know why I'm enjoying writing the stories.
In a few "story" months, Mike is going to get a mouthful... maybe not my own ultimate fantasy, but should be a fun combination, and will provide noticible social challenges for him!
So you're just gonna have to keep reading, aren't you!!! :-)
Sparky
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i would love to start off with normal, traditional brackets, but then the orthodontist decides for some reason or an other to switch to full bands with some sort of headgear for 16-18 hours a day. lots of elastics involved too. braces for about 3 years, headgear for 1 and a half of those years. after the braces are off maybe a bionator or frankel device for another 2 or 3 years
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I have to say that I had my dream treatment. First, I got an activator for about one year. Then I got combination headgear (only combination headgear on the molares) for about 8 months. After that, I got fixed braces (multiband, above and below). After three months, to the fixed braces were added ... guess ... combination headgear and four elastices. I had to wear this for about one other year. Then a retainer.
The best time in my life was when I had to wear the fixed braces above and below with elastics and combination headgear. You may imagine how excited I was at three in the afternoon, when I got back from school directly to my room to pull on the headgear for the rest of the day.
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I have always preferred braces on other peopke to getting them myself, so my own dream treatment would be as little as possible required to do the job!
If I was designing something for somebody else though, it would depend on how much I liked them. I do like the idea of orthodontist's keeping quiet about length of treatment and appliances that need to be worn, and I also quite like the idea of patients having to arrive early for their appointments and not be picked up until afterwards (say 15 mins either side?). Also no removal because teeth look good, they have to be all problems solved.
If it was a friend, I'd say metal brackets & wire, powerchains, some form of device (Herbst, lip bumper etc) and combination headgear which they had to wear to school from time to time (say, if they didn't make their hours for the rest of the week). Three years or so plus retainers.
If it was somebody I disliked, then I'd look forward to them getting a metal mouth: full bands on both jaws, thick archwires, a ban on coloured ligatures, the same form of "extra-device" plus a combination headgear they had to wear all of the time except when playing sport (i.e. including school), but with a really obvious strap colour (e.g. black for blonde hair, yellow for dark hair, perhaps orange, green or even pink if they were really bad patients). Fixed retention after treatment over, so, 5 years or so?
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I like the idea of "John Doe 21" - except for the fact, that the orthodontist should wire in one of the removeable appliances (without further notice, of course)
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.....the orthodontist should be a strict woman who is not that keen on sharing information and does not like to talk and discuss the options with me. On the first appoitment she looks at my mouth and immidiatly sees treatment is needed,......
I agree with this, I would like something like that, but also, I realise that there is always the need that should be "indicated to" not asked by the patient. I mean, the power in the relation with the ortodontist (a female, always) is on her side, and used by her.
I would say too, she should prescript some device that cause lisp and trouble to speak. And visible. Heagear and expanders should do that perfectly. I like more the idea of fixed thing, that do not allow the patient to remove them.
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I would want my treatment to be a surprise on a routine dental checkup, and by a braced female ortho, first I'd want to be in an activator with high pull hg, 24 hours a day and unremovable, I would want this to continue for 6 months and then to have fixed upper and lower brackets with bands at the back, bulky expanders for both jaws, a herbst and a wired in double interlandi headgear, I'd want this for 2 years, followed by hawleys. During the whole treatment, the only time I want to not have my head encased in headgear is when the ortho is taking it off for me to inspect my other appliances and adjust them.
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I'd like to date a girl with everything already mentioned plus a pair of safety goggles she'd have to wear whenever she had on her headgear & all (which would hopefully be 24/7).
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Top rapid palatal expander with full set of braces top and bottom. Possibly a lower expander as well, thus making talking and eating very complicated. Elastics going from top back molars to lower front brackets while wearing reverse pull facemask on heavy force elastics 16 to 18 hrs a day. Facemaks treatment will be for 1 year, expanders for same amount of time and full braces and elastics for about 3 years. Then finally facebow with built in biteplate wired into the headgear tubes on back molarbands for 6 months with plastic neckstrap and regular headstrap. : ) I can only dream
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It would start with some sort of appliance, like an activator, herbst, or upper and lower retainers. I would have to wear it all the time (except for eating and sports) and it would give me a really noticeable lisp.
After about 16 months, I would get full upper and lower braces with a fixed tongue crib. 2 months later, I'll have to start wearing combo headgear 23 hours a day (all the time... except for eating, sports, and showering). This would last for about a year and then a lip bumper would be added to my bottom braces. Another year later, the high-pull portion of my headgear would be removed and I'd only have to wear it 16 hours a day.
After having the fixed braces for 3.5 years, I'll be done with the headgear and lip bumper. I'll still have the tongue crib (with a lisp) and will get four elastics. This will last for another year or so, when everything is removed and I get upper and lower hawley retainers.
I'd probably want to fit a bit plate, but I'm not sure how it would fit in with the tongue crib ???
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I'd start with an activator which would cause lisp, for 6 months.
Then I'd have common braces and combination headgear, for 2 years, 14 hours per day. Afther this, I would stop wearing headgear, but keep my braces for another 1 year.
For 6 months, crossbite and overbite elastics. For the last 6 months, zigzag elastics at the back teeth.
After the treatment, upper and lower hawley retainers.
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I guess I do have the dream orthodontic treatment. Its not extreme, but its real. I have a Hawley retainer, which is a necessary piece of equipment, which just keeps my teeth from moving about – standard retainer purpose.
But I have, somehow, don’t ask me how, convinced my ortho to give me a headgear with it. Which means that in normal day-to-day life I can go metal free, live my normal life. When I’m in the mood for a bit of metallic “kink” I can wear my retainer with all that wonderful plastic and the lisp that goes along with it, and when I really want to lay down and boogie, I can strap myself up in my interlandi headgear.
It’s a best-of-all-worlds situation. As stated elsewhere, I have a few friends that know about my braces and ‘gear, and one friend in particular who insists that I am geared during her visits. It’s quite fun. Had quite a few braces adventures in my time. (only did the public headgear thing twice though, both time at fairly deserted places, not had the guts to go full out with that just yet)
The best part of all – when the fun is over and the day gets long, I can take it all off and kick back and just be “normal”. 24/7 kink is fun only in the mind, in real life, it really does gets old. Wearing your headgear on a Friday night with a friend having drinks is awesome. Doing the same on a Monday afternoon when deadlines are looming is just plain awful.
Yes, I have the dream orthodontic treatment!
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I agree 24/7 is impossible and inconvenient. For a real orthodontic treatment, the ideal would be less, for me 14hrs is a good number.
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Between the ages of 12 and 17 (right when puberty hit!) I had to wear a cervical headgear for 12 hours per day. It gets long. REALLY long.
Today i'm a grown man and I get to choose how and when I wear my braces. Bear in mind that this is a fetish for me and I WANT to wear this thing, and yet, even WANTING to be in headgear I've never managed more than 12 hours in a 24 hour period, and just wearing it 4 hours per day, every day, for a week, is a heck of a chore, and come friday morning, the mere thought of ahving to sit through 4 more hours of this thing turns your bowels loose.
Real life very seldom goes hand in hand with what is expected in the realms of fantasy.
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Yes, DemBones, i agree with you. I also had a cervical headgear which I had to wear for 14 hours. After a night in this, my teeth hurt in the mornings and it was on 7 or 8 hours only. And when i was awake and had it on in the afternoons it hurt after 3 or 4 hours. So 14 hours can be a very long time for a guy wearing headgear and i never could imagine how one could stand a 24/7 wearing time.
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i would like to have big metal brackets only on 4 front teeth, all the rest metal bands, fixed twinblock braces with expanders in both jaws and at least 8 elastics (24\7) to change after every meal or 6 hours, for finish a facemask with 6 elastics or a interlandi hg (24\7)...and have to go to the ortho for an adjustament 3 times a week...
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My dream treatment would start like this. Imagine i am going out with a girl who has removable braces and one evening when she has taken them out she leaves them on the bathroom sink i walk in and being kinky like i am i pick up the plastic brace and sniff it and give it a little lick. I can still smell her braces breath scent wonderful. Unknown to me her mother who is an orthodontist sees me and soon has me in the chair being fitted with bands on both jaws headgear and a rubber headcap to make sure i cant remove it
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Upper and lower braces with upper and lower expanders. Herbst wired in.
Then a strong showing of "finishing" elastics, before having to wear a positioner. Then upper and lower hawleys (one with tongue crib) 24/7.
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My dream treatment would be fixed metal brackets top and bottom, fixed expamder top and bottom, herbst and douple headgear with j.hooks. And i want them in long period, more than 5 years
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My bracedream would be fixed brackets (metal) on upper and lower jaw, a lot of elastics, powerchains on the fronts and a head gear with highpull. and to wear it for some years. (3 to 6 or something like this) :)
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My dream treatment would have to involve braces that cannot be hidden, and a plan that could not be backed out of. I'd have the whole thing explained to me upfront, and it would sound exciting and totally reasonable to me. I'd start with fixed braces up and down and I'd need a habit crib, upper and lower, as well. A few months into treatment I'd get upper and lower expanders that are turned once every two weeks at my appointment. At the same time, I'd get upper and lower lip bumpers and a thick bite plate that would sit behind my front teeth just in front of the habit crib that would show about a millimeter below the edge of my front teeth so that I can't completely close my mouth or lips and cannot pronounce my sibilants or glottals or plosives.
The orthodontist would have made all this sound very simple at the beginning but with everything piling on at once I would get very frustrated, so when it's time to add the cervical headgear, even though I have previously agreed to eight hours of wear (easy!) I don't do it. It's too much and I can't take it. At this point I'm about six months in to my treatment and I go on for another six months with extremely minimal headgear wear. At the end of one year of treatment, my orthodontist explains to me that the reason he had me agree ahead of time to the headgear is because the treatment is designed to work only with headgear, so if I don't wear it, my teeth will actually get WORSE. Now they are so bad that he must wire it in until he gets everything else in place.
Eventually I get used to it. Probably right around when it's time to stop turning the expander screws, because after that the treatment is much more comfortable and I am more confident about having such a strong lisp and wearing headgear in public. I am fine with being the headgear girl. But I am not sorry to see it go when I am done with it! I get to lose the headgear and expanders and lip bumpers all at the same time, but then I start on my elastics, which I wear in various configurations for another year, including some time spent with one or two going crossways across the front of my mouth. They are always very noticeable because the bite plate keeps my mouth propped open and I have to work hard to close my lips. But eventually I am done! The braces come off, and I graduate to retainers. My retainers still have habit cribs, and the top retainer has exactly the same kind of bite plate, but I am now very used to speaking with a lisp and actually have trouble talking without them in as well. After four years of total treatment time, I am finally given the go ahead to wear the retainers only at night.
But sometimes I still put my headgear on just for fun!
(I know this is an old topic. I hope it is ok to resurrect it since it's so much fun to speculate. I also have a "nightmare" treatment that maybe I'll share later)
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I just finished up my treatment of 3.5 years, which include 2 years of headgear wear 20+ hours a day and 7 months of tongue crib wear. The only way to make it better would have been having full bands and a double facebow.
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Hi Cassandra I love your idea absoloutley fantasticand sexy you should consider writing it up as a a story for us what you think?
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@jonjon I'm glad you like my story, but that's pretty much all there is to it! I think I told the whole thing already.
When I have some more time maybe I'll post "my nightmare treatment" on this thread too, see if I can get some others to participate as well.
I don't have enough posts to see or participate in the stories section, so, if anyone wants to help me out by engaging me in conversation, I'd much appreciate it. I don't want to spam the entire board any worse than I just did, and I am running out of things to say!
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That sounds great Cassandra I think in real life people find braces moreof a nitemare than a dream so I'm sure there's loads of scope there for a really great story! As for getting enough posts on don't worry youl soon get there
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@Cassandra jour ideal treatment is a great idea, I enjoy reading it and I would be glad to converse with you to make us reach the enough amount of post to reach the stories
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Assuming we have the acquiescence of our moderator, I'd quite like to see what people have as nightmare treatments as well. Obviously for braces enthusiasts such as ourselves, it would be easy to consider that ceramic brackets and nothing else, but I'm sure we can get more creative than that!
I posted further up when it came to dream treatment that I prefer braces on others rather than myself. So for me, my nightmare treatment would be something to make my braces look more obvious. Not in a headgeary-bite-platey kind of way, but with vibrant coloured ligatures that I hadn't chosen or brightly coloured elastics instead of normal latex ones, so my 'bog standard' braces looked like they'd caught the inside of a party popper.
As then, I did say a nightmare for somebody else. I'm picturing a chap in his late twenties or early thirties, fashionable, goes to the gym, well-trimmed stubble as seems to be the fashion, and he's told he needs braces to sort out the clicking jaw problem he seems to be having. For whatever reason, instead of the ceramic braces he's seem on a colleague (who is doing it for looks), he has to get metal ones, like his classmates wore as a teenager. As if that wasn't enough, the way the brackets are placed interfere with his lips, meaning they are always on show unless he forces his lips closed. Add some elastics later on in the treatment (24/7 wear, of course), and perhaps even as much as a Herbst, which he 'agrees' to wear to avoid headgear. His orthodontist suggests in the strongest manner that it will e more comfortable for him if he shaves his beard. Because he's older he has to wear them for three years. Then he gets Hawley retainers for a year.
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My nightmare would involve sticking through a difficult treatment only to quickly relapse, having an ortho who doesn't know what they're doing, and having the second round be slower and more difficult. I'd start my treatment when I'm school age, wearing a cervical headgear full time (I won't like it, but I'll agree to do it) and an activator at night for two years and wear the activator full time for one more year. Then I'll graduate to fixed upper and lower braces, no more activator, and headgear only outside of school for another year, along with full time elastics. My teeth will be all in their places except for I will be missing my canines and still waiting for them to come in. I will have been promised that I will have my braces off before my senior year, but during my junior year I am still missing teeth and my ortho finally figures out my canines are impacted and I need to have gum surgery to reveal them and then have them attached to my braces with a metal chain and later elastics to bring them down into their place. This normally takes several years to complete, but my ortho promises it can be done in only one year, and he delivers. I get my braces off before I graduate and go away happily to college, only to return for a check up over christmas break to find my canines moving back up into my gums again (doing it in one year was clearly a mistake.) My ortho tries to adjust my retainers and tells me to come back in the summer. I make it a point not to come back because I do not want to get braces put on again, but eventually, I decide to be a grown up about it and return the next christmas when my canines have entirely disappeared. By then it is too late to do anything but put the braces back on, because even though I've been wearing my retainers some things have gotten way out of place. The spaces where my canines go have gotten too small and my lower teeth have become very crooked. I get a spring across my bottom front teeth to make space to straighten them out, and springs in the gaps where my canines need to go, and am told to come back in a month. I can't, because I'm too busy with school, and don't make it back until summer. My ortho sees that my teeth are not moving so gives me a tighter wire and a lower expander to help straighten out my lower teeth. I make four appointments in a row over the summer, at the last of which my ortho decides my lower jaw is moving too far forward. Instead of my front teeth overlapping my lowers, they now touch edge to edge. He gives me super strong elastics to pull my lower jaw back, lower canines to upper molars, plus three more. Box shape around my front teeth and box shape around my molars, one on either side.
I make it back for an appointment in the fall, where he says the elastics are working and my bite is fixed but for some reason I still do not have space to pull down my canines and I still don't have enough room. More elastics are added. Over christmas break, my ortho determines the braces are not working because I must be fiddling around with them too much and installs and upper and lower lip bumper. Now I can't close my lips over my teeth. He also gives me a high pull headgear to wear at night, to make sure my molars are not pushing into the space that my canines need to occupy. It's my junior year of college and I live in an apartment style dorm and I try my best to wear the headgear, because I am really tired of these braces and just want to bring my canines down and be done with it, but it's really hard and I go out most nights, so the headgear gets worn for a few hours a night if at all. My bite seems okay to me and the spaces seem to be slowly opening, and I try my best to make it home for at least one appointment between breaks, but I get so busy with my last year of schooling and I've given up on getting these braces off before I graduate and I just try to accept that I'll be wearing them a few more years.
The summer after I graduate my ortho finally realizes that my wisdom teeth have been trying to come in, and I throw a fit and blame him for this long and purposeless treatment. He should have done periodic X-rays and known that it was my wisdom teeth causing problems all along. He insists that this is all my fault for not wearing my headgear as directed. I point out that there were clear issues before the headgear, and its probably his fault I even need the headgear. A week later, I get all my treatment records and impressions mailed to me along with a letter saying he will no longer treat me. I try my best to find a new ortho to finish up with these braces. I don't want to just quit because my canines are still impacted and I don't want them to damage my teeth further. Also, my bite has gone back to my front teeth meeting edgewise and I am having trouble eating and chewing. No ortho will see me until I've had my wisdom teeth out, so I have to wait until I can see an oral surgeon. I wait six months to have this procedure done, all the while with inactive braces on my teeth. I do not wear the headgear, and my top teeth move forwards again and my bite seems to fix itself. After I get my wisdom teeth out (I've now started my first "real" job out of college and it's a very good one!) I try again to find a new ortho, but have a tough time because none want to take my "difficult" case. I finally find someone who specializes in relapses, and she immediately removes the expander and lip bumpers, takes new impressions, and tells me to come back in a month to start my new treatment.
When I return (I have now been wearing this second round of braces for four years) she explains to me that my wisdom teeth pushing to come in while I've been wearing braces has pushed my upper and lower teeth so far forward that although there is a space for my canines to come down into, it is far away from where my canines are actually located. Since they were moved so quickly the first time and moved back quickly, she is afraid if we try to move them too far they will not be able to stabilize and either move back up again or fall out. I do not want them to fall out after all this effort to keep them! The only thing to do is to move my upper and lower teeth back into their original positions, slowly, because my bite has already been messed with so much. I agree to this. She wires in a twin block appliance to keep my bite in the correct position and has me wear strong elastics on either side so that it is difficult for me to open my mouth farther than the appliance already keeps it open. Then she shows me my new headgear. I will wear a high pull headgear for my top jaw and a cervical headgear for my lower. They are both set at extremely low force, so they should not be uncomfortable, but I need to wear them both full time for them to work without further damaging my teeth. I initially refuse, saying there must be some other way to get the same result, but she explains that my teeth are already in a fragile position and this is my only option. If I won't wear the headgears, she will remove my braces and I can discontinue my treatment. I ask for a week to think it through, and eventually decide to do it after studying in the mirror how my teeth now stick out and I still have the conspicuous gaps on the sides were my canines belong. I expect to wear this headgear full time for two years before I can have surgery again to expose my canines, and it will take 2-3 years to pull them into position and retain them there.
This is my nightmare treatment. I did, in reality, have impacted teeth (that could not be saved with orthodontic work, so I just had them removed, like what is done with wisdom teeth) and so I do often imagine how trying to save them could have gone horribly wrong. This is only one scenario. Of course this would never happen in reality, but sometimes I like to fantasize about the "nightmare" side of things.
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My nightmare treatment: I would be given full bands at age 12, and be given elastics, and headgear for 12 hours a day for 5 years. Then at age 21, I would get braces again, with elastics 24 hours a day, this time for two years. During this period I would be given surgery that would have my jaw wired closed for 6 weeks so I cannot speak properly. Then at age 33 I'll be given braces again with elastics and another surgery, this time I will not be wired shut, but instead I'll just have to wear heavy elastics for 3 months. After this treatment I'd be on a life-long hawley retainer, with occasional headgear wear to keep things from moving around, and thereby needing braces again.
Nightmare treatment? Nope, this was real life.
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DemBones, that's really fascinating. I think I started coming up with these "nightmare scenarios" as a way to talk myself out of this obsession of mine. Kind of like saying, see, be careful what you wish for! It's not so great in real life! This could be you! With the idea that if I ever experienced a real treatment, especially one that wasn't my "fantasy" or "ideal" treatment, I'd be cursing myself for ever liking braces in the first place and this whole experience would "cure" me.
I guess in your case it did not, since you are here! Unless it was the cause, not the cure? Did you have an interest in braces BEFORE you started your treatment?
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I was 12 - I didn't have an interest in anything except riding my bike and watching a rugby game with my uncle on a saturday afternoon.
But it has to be said, I always knew I had a "thing" for bondage games - even as a kid, my favorite toy was police sets, because they had handcuffs in them.
I never equated the two. Braces was just something you wore, like glasses, right? I never knew what hit me - I was not prepared for the pain and the humiliation braces and headgear brought on. It was very unpleasant in the beginning, but as I grew from a 12 year old boy into a 14, 15-year old pubescent teenager, and I started realising what these things called "fetishes" are, I kinda started to like it. I started to notice the braces on the girls in the orthodontists office with me... so in a way you could say it was there from the start, but I needed to be made aware of it first.
and yes - be careful what you wish for - there is a *huge* line between fantasy and reality. 12 hours of head gear a day for 3 years sounds great on her,e but just try it. Try wearing headgear for 8 hours a day for a week - you'll beg for parole...
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Ooh - this is fun.
My dream treatment would include wearing, at various times:
- big, metal brackets. Old-school big brackets (not full bands!)
- fixed expander, expanding actively for 3-4 months, then left in for retention for a year
- elastics - lots of them - placed in a way that's highly visible and highly restrictive
- thick archwires with lots of loops, hooks and springs. More visible metal.
- powerchains on both arches, followed by interlaced wire ligatures towards the end of treatment
- headgear tubes on the molar bands. Not that the ortho would prescribe it, I'd provide my own and use it for fun.
- bonded lingual retainers top and bottom for retention without impacting speech
Going through the list, it's a mixture of things that are highly noticeable and restrictive, and things that are discreet and easily hidden. My dream treatment wouldn't appear to be any more intense than usual treatment, but the larger brackets, complex archwires, and extra elastics would make it more intense for the wearer!
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Upper and lower banded expander with the top screw embedded in thick acrylic to make my speech impeded. Steel crowns on all rear molars and he still appliance fixed in. I would hope for 8 elastic all over and crossing in front for full pressure and everyone to see.
Later I want to get fitted with a Frankel Appliance that is very bulky and brightly colored so it shows and makes my lisp even more intense and fills my entire mouth with shiny steel and smooth bulky plastic. I would want to have a super thick twin lock appliance to cover my molars and make my moth fully plastic and completely impossible to speak normal without any lisp or speech issue. I want full on complex appliances that are med to be bulkier and larger than usual to feed my Ortho fantasy. Way more than just bands or brackets and headgear
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My nightmare treatment would be with Invisalign
I would finally get to an orthodontist chair and get all gidddy and excited only to be fitted with clear removable trays that are minor in comparison to my wishes and I would have to pay for a super weak version of orthodontic treatment
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Love your nightmare Invasilign treatment Bracesluvr - I think that would be mine as well. It would be so terrible to anticipate something more invasive, and then to just get invisalign...
My ideal treatment would probably start with fixed upper and lower expanders, and a lower habit device to stop a tongue thrust. The upper expander would be a quad-helix type with some acrylic, just to impede my speech a little more. Eventually after 3 or 4 months, full bands would be put on, so at least people would be able to tell why I had a lisp. The expanders would be turned more for 3 or so more months, and then left on for about a year afterwards for retention purposes. Eventually, the lower expander and habit device would be removed, which would help out a lot, until the orthodontist realized that my tongue thrusting was still impeding treatment, and wires the habit device back in full time for the duration of treatment. When the upper expander is finally removed, an even bulkier bite plate is wired in for 24/7 wear for the duration of treatment.
I would definitely wear my retainers after that ordeal! :P
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Since I've seen a video of it I am faszinated by the idea of forward pull headgear.
The idea of having to wear outer bow braces in combination with a cervical collar / neck brace has somethng incredibly appealing.
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Forward pull that isn't a facemask?
Where did you see this video?
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@mrmajestic723:
https://dereferer.me/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyM4YPb-m7Q
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Another dream treatment would be full metal braces with steel crowns on all molars. 4 elastis on each side and upper expander with thick bite plate and habit crib just behind my top teeth that is highly visible and very tall. Fixed lower expander screw and 2 more elastics forming an X in front. This all for pleasure making my mouth full with lots of tightness
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My dream orthodontic treatment would be full metal braces with a herbst appliance with fixed expanders on both top and bottom with the biteplates on the back molars. Then I would get a lower lip bumper. After about 8 month of these appliances the orthodontist soon then realizes that the Herbst aren't doing their job so now I am strapped into headgear per the treatment coordinator. The headgear that I receive is the custom one which I am wearing in my Avatar. I then realize that it has been wired in and fixed to my upper appliance after the cheek retractors are taken out and the Vast Ortho Gear is not budging a bit. The treatment coordinator then tells me to try to get used to my new orthodontia because this is going to be my Perminant 24/7 look for the next 10-11 months at least :)
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I wore ceramic fixed braces as an adult - afraid of a full metal mouth for "social" reasons. My dream treatment is, however, full-banded metal. I'd especially like the hours it would take to get them installed! Upper and lower expander would be good, as well as headgear for a time. Wonder in any orthodontist would do that these days. I'd almost be afraid to ask.
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Disclaimer: this is a rather long description of a relatively uneventful dream treatment that I actually wouldn't mind having at one point in life. I will also have a thing about a nightmare / insanely unrealistic treatment plan :)
My dream orthodontic treatment would be something that doesn't look particularly excessive but is actually causing a great deal of discomfort for the wearer. It would be tackling real issues as an excuse to pile up some orthodontia to treat them in a rather disproportionate way.
I would opt for ceramic brackets, because let's face it, they are pretty much just as visible as metal ones are, but they give off that vibe that the patient tried to go for something not too conspicuous which is the image I think I would like to project. They also come in pretty big sizes so with a nice set of thick metal wires, with all sorts of bends on them and a generous sprinkling of hooks for elastics, they would push out my lips quite a bit, so even with my mouth fully closed people would be able to tell quite easily that I'm wearing braces.
On my lower jaw there's a considerable gap between my third and fourth teeth on one side that I subconsciously created by pushing them out of alignment after I got my braces off as a teenager. To rotate these teeth back to where they belong I would have both of them banded and joined with a coil spring. To the back of these two bands I would have a custom tongue spurs fitted to train my tongue to stay away from these teeth. Again, the two banded teeth would be super noticeable among the ceramic brackets but something I could explain to whoever is wondering. Even after these two teeth were moved back to the correct position, my ortho would keep the bands in place because of the tongue spurs.
As you can see my tongue thrusting is clearly an issue (it has created a tiny gap between my upper front teeth when I was a child and even with wearing my retainer, I can achieve a 1/4 - 1/2 mm gap) I would be fitted with a removable habit crib. I would of course struggle an awful lot with it in my personal life (there's no way for your tongue to fully get used to it, from the day you're fitted with the appliance there's room for improvement but ultimately you can only get used to your new, impaired speech really) and the first day of trying to have it in at strategically okay times at work I would just give up and not wear it at work altogether. Even with trying to wear it 24 hours over the weekend I would still fall short of the 20 hours / day required wear. After 6 month of this my ortho would voice his concerns that this isn't working as he expected and at the next check up he would fit me with a permanent habit crib. It would be barely visible but it would make my speech infinitely worse and without much chance for it to improve considerably. I would keep these for the entire length of my treatment.
Soon after this I would receive my headgear. It would be a sturdy cushion loop facebow with a with a generously sized black high pull and cervical strap. It would be putting a small amount of pressure on my upper molars to move them back ever so slightly so it would be rather comfortable to wear but I would be struggling with the 16 hour wear time as I would be categorically rejecting to wear it to work. I would try to make up for the lost time by wearing it all weekend which would put a strain on my social life. I would mostly just spend time at home with my boyfriend who says he doesn't mind the lisp too much and is learning to come to terms with the headgear. I would on occasion head out with him wearing the headgear but as I wouldn't be used to it, I wouldn't be able to relax in public, not for one second. I would already be super aware of my lisp caused by the tongue crib, which gets far worse when I'm talking to someone I haven't met before (the nerves).
As I had some issues with popping some of my lower brackets off, my ortho would decide that the lower ceramic brackets have to go. He would just blame it on the material and say that the technology unfortunately still has its limits. I would get most of them replaced by metal brackets of the same size (my ceramic brackets were already quite big!) and some of them he would band without bothering to explain why this would be strategically important (it isn't). They would be 10 times more noticeable, but in reality, people have already gotten used to my braces and this change doesn't seem to shake anyone too much. All the metal on my lower jaw becomes more apparent when I get my lower lip bumper. Thankfully it fits quite snugly so it doesn't really show, but it does push out my lower lip a fair bit making it look very plump. My orthodontia is now permanently on display and even without the headgear, my lips don't touch anymore and I do look like as if I had a bit of an underbite. After careful consideration I decide I don't mind this particular development too much as I always wanted fuller lips, I experiment a bit more with lipsticks on work days.
We are at about 9 month into the treatment now, and most of my devices don't change too much for the next year, year and a half. I wear plenty of elastics in various configurations, always to be worn all day and some strengths will only come in particular colours which I will find mortifying but there will not be much for me to do about it.
Towards the end of my treatment, it will be time to rotate my molars that are slightly out of alignment. My ortho decided to do this last so that everything will have a bit of time to settle. I will lose the elastics and the lip bumper, I will only wear the headgear at night, but my molars will be anchored to mini screws in my palate. This relatively uneventful last phase will take another half a year until my ortho declares it's time to lose the braces.
My retainers will be Hawleys and will come with a tongue crib built into the plastic bite plate. For the first year I will wear them all the time I'm not at work (totalling about 16 hours a day with almost full time wear over the weekend) and I would continue wearing my headgear at night. After a year I would reduce the wear to 12 hours a day, and on the 2 year anniversary I would graduate to only wearing them at night, with headgear only 3-4 nights a week. This configuration I would then continue with until the end of time.
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Wow, I love the specificity, Olivia. That sounds like a very realistic dream plan - just the right amount of appliance changes and inconvenience! I can't wait to hear about the nightmare treatment plan >:D
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the part about the habit spikes sounds mean
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I would love to be an orthodontist. My office would offer services to those wanting custom treatments for those like us. I wouldn’t offer normal braces, that is found everywhere. Here would be safe to request and experiment with various appliances that are fully functional and used for treatment of crooked or crowded teeth. Experimenting with every appliance I could would be a dream come true.
Complex or extended treatment encouraged. Fullbands and headgear always used after a time with several appliances that are fixed in or removable. Frankel or activators would begin the process before moving into fixed expanders and habit cribs used on most patients. Herbst and twin block appliances always used to ensure compliance for later stage banding with lots of extras and hooks to add tension and pressure to the entire mouth. The more the better. I want clients to ask for complex treatment and want to be FULLY BRACED. The patients could feel safe and not judged for their love of orthodontics. Upper and lower twin face bow headgear or reverse pull face mask added if chosen as well. I want patients to wear as much as possible as many different types of appliances as an alternate to traditional braces. Thick acrylic and complicated appliances would be my signature style. End result would be the same, just taking a fun route to get there. I would always wear the same appliances myself that I suggest to patients so I get a good understanding of the treatment I use for them
WHAT WOULD YOU WANT IF I WAS YOUR ORTHO,
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now thats an orthodontist I would go to
you could count me in as one of your patients ;)
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Me too that would be my dream practice to visit I would definitely be asking for head gear and facemask to me they are the best
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That would be awesome. I'd be a patient. Treatment with activator, expander, herbst and full metal braces with headgear!
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Pre-treatment:
I'd go online and find the orthodontists with the absolute worst patient reviews (old-fashioned, doesn't listen, takes forever, etc). Then I'd consult with them and find the one that wants to try to fix my bite with a functional appliance, in this case a bionator. There would be an understanding that fixed braces would follow, but the details would be purposely vague.
Treatment:
I'd wear the bionator religiously for about two years with very little in the way of improvement. Though the adjustment period was tough, I've learned to cope with it really well: my friends don't bat an eye when I excuse myself to take it out for dinner, and put it back in afterwards, I smile broadly with it, and I have only the slightest lisp left. My orthodontist praises my dedication, and says that it is time to try something different. He puts a palatal expander on, which is somewhat invisible and causes people to think I'm done with the treatment, before producing such a big gap that other people I meet tell me I should consider getting braces ???. After a couple of months he removes the expander and informs me that I should make a long appointment and be prepared to have an empty schedule for the days after that. He also puts a bunch of spacers in my mouth.
The day comes and I get into the chair. He places big brackets on all my teeth, bands on my back molars and on my canines. to these, he attaches a tongue crib and a tpa. He also puts bite blocks on my back molars. Next, he pulls out a facebow and starts fitting it right then and there, telling me that if I am as motivated in wearing it as I was the bionator, we might just have the desired results. I wear it whenever I'm at home, but not outside and not when I have company. Next appointment I ask him to tie it in for a week so I can get over the embarrassment of wearing such a thing as an adult (I'd plan a bunch of public events just so I wouldn't be tempted just to hide at home). A couple of months later, he switches me from a cervical headgear to a combination headgear.
Elastics come and go, peaking at six at one time, and I'm informed I only have to wear the headgear twelve hours a day. By that time, I'm so used to it that rather than sleeping with it, I wear it during the daytime instead. After about four years of the fixed braces, it is time for retention. For two years, I'd wear a bionator at night and Hawley retainers by day,
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@mrmajestic723:
https://dereferer.me/?https://dereferer.me/?http://anonym.to/?https://dereferer.me/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyM4YPb-m7Q
That looks like a great treatment!
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Me and my wife are undergoing treatment currently! So that is a dream come true! But I would have loved to have had some sort of appliances (headgear, expanders, etc.). Would love to go back 30 years to much a much more banded era!
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very interesting Caster. Would you want to share some details about your treatement?
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My dream treatment would be similar to my actual treatment many years ago. It would include bands, wire ligatures, and headgear, all of which I had. I also had an expander, which I didn't like, so instead of that, how about elastics, since they weren't part of my actual treatment.
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My dream treatment would probably be what i posted in the "dream treatment for your partner" topic. Full metal braces with a lip bumper, tongue crib, and headgear. But my real treatment is coming up soon and id be mortified if i had to walk out of the ortho's office with all of that in my mouth
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My dream treatment would probably be what i posted in the "dream treatment for your partner" topic. Full metal braces with a lip bumper, tongue crib, and headgear. But my real treatment is coming up soon and id be mortified if i had to walk out of the ortho's office with all of that in my mouth
Yah that would be hella scary but fulfilling at the same time. At least there are few people who would admire and fantasize about that mouth full as opposed to just staring and judging... I know i would approach lol ;)
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My dream treatment would probably be what i posted in the "dream treatment for your partner" topic. Full metal braces with a lip bumper, tongue crib, and headgear. But my real treatment is coming up soon and id be mortified if i had to walk out of the ortho's office with all of that in my mouth
What is your treatment plan?
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What is your treatment plan?
Just regular braces for two years as far as i know, i do have a slight overbite though so who knows, i could end up with hg!
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It's not an orthodontic treatment per se and I question the effectiveness of it but I'd love to go through a dietary jaw wiring. It's so cruel embarrassing. It's like a punishment from a distopian novel.
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My dream treatment for someone else would be upper and lower metal brackets, top and bottom expander, tongue crib and a herbst. With headgear to replace the herbst later on in treatment.
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@ekaj123 That would be a mouth full of awesomeness!
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Maybe a LipBumper and a biteplate would top off that glorious mouth full along with the headgear applied with all that :)
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Rear molar bands with buccal tubes for headgear facebow. Full upper and lower metal brackets. Quad helix expander herbst appliance and elastics. Upper lip bumper too maybe. Multi coloured ligatures and neon elastics. (Classy) ha
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That looks like a great treatment!
it's certainly...different!! the girl in the back doesn't look impressed haha
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My dream treatment would be this. Full bands top and bottom along with 8 elastics 2 facebows wired in for 3 years. After that combination headgear wired in for 2 years and a bite plate added. Then a cervical headgear for 6 years 12 hours a day along with a bite plate and now 12 elastics.
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I think that face mask that like, holds the rubber bands going into your mouth looks really hot. I'd want to wear one of those
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My dream treatment would be this. Full bands top and bottom along with 8 elastics 2 facebows wired in for 3 years. After that combination headgear wired in for 2 years and a bite plate added. Then a cervical headgear for 6 years 12 hours a day along with a bite plate and now 12 elastics.
All of that headgear wired in seems like it would be amazing!
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Yes it does
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All of that headgear wired in seems like it would be amazing!
yes it does
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Came across this older version of the dream treatment post, and thought it might be fun for people to see what people up to 10 years ago said were their dream treatments and what some people had to say when 10 years ago verses now.
As I stated on the other thread, I have a few ideas, ranging from what gets the job done well to what's crazy/outlandish/would only happen in a dream scenario.
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I can agree with all people that have already written - especially @Christian2.