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Offline Braceface88

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Creative idea
« on: 21. March 2020, 14:56:59 PM »
If you were to make an orthodontic appliance to go on it’s own or alongside other appliances, what would it be like? How long would patients have to wear it, would it be removable, go wild with your ideas

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #1 on: 26. March 2020, 19:19:03 PM »
I've always been fascinated by young Willy Wonka's headgear from the 2005 movie. I would love to know how it works, what it attaches to, what the purpose of its parts are, etc. The bigger and more complex the better, as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #2 on: 01. April 2020, 03:38:30 AM »
Well I would go all out for this one. Fully banded braces with herbst appliance. Along with my fantasy appliance of upper and lower headgear. The headgear would be thick and heavy. Wired in and padlocked at the back. The headgear would be attached to a head and neck apparatus. On the sides where the face bow connects, would be two timers that would be self tightening every 12 hours. No way to be removed slowly getting tighter and more painful.

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #3 on: 01. April 2020, 19:21:18 PM »
Well I would go all out for this one. Fully banded braces with herbst appliance. Along with my fantasy appliance of upper and lower headgear. The headgear would be thick and heavy. Wired in and padlocked at the back. The headgear would be attached to a head and neck apparatus. On the sides where the face bow connects, would be two timers that would be self tightening every 12 hours. No way to be removed slowly getting tighter and more painful.

I actually really like the idea of a self-tightening mechanism that the patient (victim?) has no control over. They'd just spend their days dreading the next tightening, since, unless they set up a separate timer to have an idea of when it would happen, it would be kind of unexpected every time. Bonus points if it happened overnight, like at 3am or something like that.
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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #4 on: 02. April 2020, 00:14:37 AM »
The self-tightening mechanism sounds great.... the idea of it happening in the middle of the night is just pure evil, though! What about if it was an intelligent device, so it would self-tighten when teeth reached a certain position, regardless of whether it was an adjustment or not?

I quite like an idea that M1090y came up with in a story, where wear time was controlled by an App. But imagine if it was part of the terms and conditions that only someone else had the app, not the patient. Imagine being at college and having your parents control your wear time from home, or having to give your roommate control. Or perhaps it would just detect how many hours the headgear was being worn, and once a certain number of "strikes" has been passed where it was under hours, it would lock on until the next check-up?

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #5 on: 02. April 2020, 05:37:08 AM »
I like the App idea as well! Especially if someone else had it. Would be great if they could also choose, two or three tightenings at once. But would then give you more time in between your next tightening. 12 hour intervals normally. But if they decided to do three adjustments at once, you would have 36 hours until your next. It would be far more painful. But you'd get a longer break before the timer went off again

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #6 on: 02. April 2020, 20:16:12 PM »
The self-tightening mechanism sounds great.... the idea of it happening in the middle of the night is just pure evil, though!

Pure evil... yes, perhaps. Even just wishing a potentially uncomfortable and humiliating treatment upon somebody else is already inherently sadistic, is it not? I can't see the harm in ever-so-subtly turning the cruelty up a notch >:D
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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #7 on: 03. April 2020, 00:01:24 AM »
It's only a few paragraphs, but here's a little imagined scene of some sort of computer-controlled headgear wear:

He lay in bed, waiting for his alarm to go off. But not any alarm. Not a normal person's alarm, to wake them up for the start of the day. He was waiting for his braces alarm. The alarm that would signal the 15 minutes he was allowed each day without his headgear. But what time would it go off? Surely he should know? But that wasn't his choice either. When it would go off was the choice of 'the system'.

Starting college in braces was bad enough. Starting college and having to strap yourself into headgear each night was worse. But having headgear that was controlled electronically from far far away was even worse still. A mere 15 minutes a day was all he was allowed. The rest of the time, 'the system' kept it well and truly fixed to his molars. Even in case of emergency, he would have no choice but to ring an automated number and enter a lengthy code. At his appointment, he had to log his "unavailable" times, which would then be stored, and were unchangeable for a whole month. Even by the orthodontist. He followed the examples on the sheet and entered the times he was in class, when he ate, etc. But what he didn't enter was the times he went to sleep, because they weren't on the list. Yesterday he'd been woken at 3am. One day last week it had been 1.45am, and another at 5.15am. To keep the patient "on their toes", it allowed a random 15 minutes each day. 15 minutes to shower without the combination headcap straps in the way, brush his teeth without the headgear in the way, and slip it back in. There were no benefits to being quick. The downside to being slow was a constant alarm on his phone until it was relocked, and a nasty shock in his mouth. 'Overtime' was fed back to the orthodontist. One day it had unlocked whilst he was out at 3pm. Unable to do anything, he just had to let that day's release go. He would definitely be more careful logging his time next check-up. But he had another three weeks to handle this first. Another day he had to donate his 15 minutes of freedom to a buzzcut.

His roommate had taken to sleeping with earplugs in so as not to be woken up by the alarm. It was a good job, too. As the clock ticked around to 6.15, he suddenly heard the three long beeps, and the words "You may remove your headgear for 15 minutes. You will be warned at five minutes and one minute to go. Your headgear is unlocked... NOW." He jumped out of bed as though his life depended on it...

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #8 on: 03. April 2020, 07:31:58 AM »
There is already a solution in this direction:

http://dereferer.org/?http://dereferer.org/?https://www.swissorthodontics.ch/smartgear-headgear/

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The smartgear headgear spring module is hooked into the headgear cap or the headgear neck strap instead of the traditional force module. The integrated electronic unit measures and stores wearing time, average force, as well as temperature.

Even if special readout devices are required, a power-saving Bluetooth module could certainly be integrated.


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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #9 on: 03. April 2020, 18:18:02 PM »
It's only a few paragraphs, but here's a little imagined scene of some sort of computer-controlled headgear wear:

That seems like a start to a story I'd be interested in reading. It's certainly a concept that hasn't been explored very much (if at all) before.
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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #10 on: 03. April 2020, 19:01:55 PM »
That seems like a start to a story I'd be interested in reading. It's certainly a concept that hasn't been explored very much (if at all) before.

I didn't plan on taking it any further than that, but by all means feel free to take it on. You seem like a person who could produce a pretty good piece of writing, and I'd certainly look forward to reading it.

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #11 on: 04. April 2020, 01:45:56 AM »
I've posted a very old story, that I didn't write, called "The Automatic Headgear" in the story's section. It seems to fit this discussion perfectly.

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #12 on: 04. April 2020, 02:59:14 AM »
I quite like an idea that M1090y came up with in a story, where wear time was controlled by an App. But imagine if it was part of the terms and conditions that only someone else had the app, not the patient. Imagine being at college and having your parents control your wear time from home, or having to give your roommate control. Or perhaps it would just detect how many hours the headgear was being worn, and once a certain number of "strikes" has been passed where it was under hours, it would lock on until the next check-up?

Hey, thanks for the shout-out!  In fact I added to that story this past January.  I'm assuming if I post the link to it here, it will only work for those that have made the required posts to get into the stories section.

The Wear Time App:   https://www.bracesforum.net/braces-stories-braces-special-(english)/the-wear-time-app/msg119384/#msg119384
I experimented with someone else having the phone connected to the hardware but had to be careful not to violate the rule about someone having control over someone else.

But there is another story from almost two decades ago that I did not realize was never posted here so I just did so.  Back then there were no smartphones and no apps, and not even wireless, so hardware on the bands got its data about release times through a serial cable.  Again, the patient was 'self-configuring' their braces so that it does not break the forum rule, even though I did not know about it at the time.

The Tenant:  https://www.bracesforum.net/braces-stories-braces-special-(english)/scenes-in-an-exhibition-of-the-decoration-of-the-mouth/msg128012/#msg128012
It is now story number 45 in my 'Exhibitions' thread.

For anyone who has an interest in stories and has not qualified for and then joined the stories section of this forum, I really think you should consider it.

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #13 on: 04. April 2020, 23:19:48 PM »
The idea to have a remotely controlled appliance kind of triggers me ^^ Also a nice idea for a story, as was already started here.

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #14 on: 05. April 2020, 10:07:34 AM »
There is already a solution in this direction:

http://dereferer.org/?http://dereferer.org/?https://www.swissorthodontics.ch/smartgear-headgear/

Even if special readout devices are required, a power-saving Bluetooth module could certainly be integrated.



Do you think this sort of device would actually catch on? Seems like most patients would probably not be fond of the idea...

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Re: Creative idea
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« Reply #16 on: 06. April 2020, 08:15:32 AM »
I came up with a simpler solution - and maybe more evil.  And one not from the annals of science fiction, but one that can be actually be done in the real world.  A simple "tweeter".  Imagine a tiny "speaker" embedded in your braces.  Does not need to be big - hardly larger than a standard bracket.  But it emits one hell of a noise - just this high-pitched maddening "scree!".

The only way to shut it off is with a facebow.  Your "app" sets your time.  If your facebow is out of your mouth for longer than the specified time, then is screams until you put it in - no matter where, no matter when.   Who needs a padlock when your own moth drives you crazy? 

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #17 on: 06. April 2020, 13:41:54 PM »
hi, what need for can read this:

https://www.bracesforum.net/braces-stories-braces-special-(english)/the-wear-time-app/msg119384/#msg119384

Thanks.  I was hoping we would get more people interested in the stories section.  That way we may get more people writing stories.

This is posted at the beginning of the stories section:
you must have at least 30 posts (no spam) ==> then inboard message (pm) to polo/ Marty
so i imagine once you have posted 30 times, such as links to pictures and videos in the media section, then you send a message to polo or Marty asking to be let in.

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« Reply #18 on: 06. April 2020, 21:03:31 PM »
Well, I like braces Stories, had some here that I saved from BCC Stories from yahoo grups.

And Im searching some too that I want the original in english, I had translated for portuguese.


Thanks.  I was hoping we would get more people interested in the stories section.  That way we may get more people writing stories.

This is posted at the beginning of the stories section:
you must have at least 30 posts (no spam) ==> then inboard message (pm) to polo/ Marty
so i imagine once you have posted 30 times, such as links to pictures and videos in the media section, then you send a message to polo or Marty asking to be let in.

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« Reply #19 on: 08. April 2020, 02:27:43 AM »
The discussion of a "remote controlled" headgear reminds me of a story written by a friend....he knows who he is :) … called "Be Careful What You Wish For".  As I have not (yet) been granted access to the stories section, I'm not sure if it's been posted here yet.

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« Reply #20 on: 10. April 2020, 17:43:48 PM »
It's only a few paragraphs, but here's a little imagined scene of some sort of computer-controlled headgear wear:

This is a great idea for a story.  I'm hoping someone will write it.  I'm very interested in knowing more about what this entity is that is controlling when the HG has to be worn.  Is it a piece of artificial intelligence, or just a random number generator.  Perhaps it is an orthodontic professional organization.

I wondered, though, if the wear time was only 8 hours, but random, then the patient would be required to go out in public with it on, to work or whatever, and could not take it off, yet other days would not be wearing it.  Full time wear has an initial bout of embarrassment and then it fades.  Locked in for only random days would be worse as it would repeat every time.

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« Reply #21 on: 16. April 2020, 13:09:56 PM »
It's only a few paragraphs, but here's a little imagined scene of some sort of computer-controlled headgear wear:
I wondered, though, if the wear time was only 8 hours, but random, then the patient would be required to go out in public with it on, to work or whatever, and could not take it off, yet other days would not be wearing it.  Full time wear has an initial bout of embarrassment and then it fades.  Locked in for only random days would be worse as it would repeat every time.
So then my mind started working in the background on this idea and it resulted in a story which I put in the stories section over here:
https://www.bracesforum.net/braces-stories-braces-special-(english)/scenes-in-an-exhibition-of-the-decoration-of-the-mouth/msg128168/#msg128168
but again, you have to have posted the required number of post and been granted access to that section.  It will take a few chapters to explore this idea.

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Re: Creative idea
« Reply #22 on: 17. April 2020, 08:54:19 AM »
Posted a story myself, but still no access????

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« Reply #23 on: 17. April 2020, 17:45:51 PM »
One way to get enough posts to get into the stories section is to keep writing chapters for your story. The more chapters you add, the sooner you will have enough posts. The chapters don't have to be long or have a lot of action in them.

It also helps if you are contributing to the story collection. You could always write several different stories if you want to. It can take a  while to gain access even if you have enough posts. Just be patient.

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« Reply #24 on: 18. April 2020, 03:18:05 AM »
First of all, thank you to m0190y for taking up my idea on headgear wear.

Something else just popped into my head: what if your braces were trained to only react if you exhibited bad habits? Self-tightening braces are some way off, but customs officers already use reagents to detect illegal drugs... how about ligatures that changed to, say, fluorescent pink if they detected cigarette smoke in your mouth, or sugar/other bacteria over a certain threshold?

For a more fantastical approach, braces could tighten severely, say, 30 minutes after a cigarette was detected - you can enjoy it, but you suffer afterwards, with the gap decreasing over time if you prove recalcitrant. Or ligatures that could somehow give off a really unpleasant smell if not brushed to a certain standard in a certain timeframe?

(Edit: Just to add, all of these ideas are 'open source' - if they provoke some literary thought, I'd be honoured if they were turned into a story, and all the more so if by someone who doesn't consider themselves 'capable' of writing a story.)

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« Reply #25 on: 18. April 2020, 19:21:18 PM »
I like your ideas. It is always nice to see where different people's minds go when they are thinking of story ideas.

I should have mentioned Duncombec when I was listing people that have made a significant contribution to the overall collection of stories. He has a significant collection of stories on his website dedicated to guys with braces.

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« Reply #26 on: 21. April 2020, 17:38:23 PM »
There is already a solution in this direction:

http://dereferer.org/?https://www.swissorthodontics.ch/smartgear-headgear/

Even if special readout devices are required, a power-saving Bluetooth module could certainly be integrated.

I took a look at that page, and something tells me that it's not been updated for some time. I think the give-away was where it said "Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7"!!!

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« Reply #27 on: 19. May 2020, 10:08:59 AM »
I came across this on the news this morning: http://dereferer.org/?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52717825... I wonder if something like that could be adapted to check whether appliances were being worn?